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Author: gm5729
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Subject: Re: PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 21, Issue 95
I am new to the list but also live out on the west side. West side
meaning Buckeye not central Phx ;) Estrella Community college has a
LUG but it is for students only. They seem to feature only Red Hat
too. I use Debian as I hate RPM based packaging -- can we say
dependency hell . . . LOL.

Gregory

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>   1. Re: Shared contacts? (Joshua Zeidner)
>   2. Backups - Offsite solutions -Security Regulations (Bryan O'Neal)
>   3. Re: Backups - Offsite solutions -Security Regulations
>      (Joshua Zeidner)
>   4. Re: Shared contacts? (Joseph Sinclair)
>   5. RE: Locations was Re: Why we are all here (was Re: audio cd)
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> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:37:38 -0700
> From: "Joshua Zeidner" <>
> Subject: Re: Shared contacts?
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> Bill,
>
> Take a look at Zimbra.
>
> -jmz
>
> On 3/30/07, Bill Lindley <> wrote:
> >
> > I am still in need, for several of my customers, of a way for an office
> > of people to be able to share a contact list. Everyone needs to be able
> > to update contacts. Most everyone is on Windows but I have set up
> > several Linux machines.
> >
> > How can I do this with Thunderbird, or Eudora, or any other open source
> > (or even closed-source) program?
> >
> > I've looked into LDAP but it seems horribly complex, and Thunderbird
> > won't write to LDAP databases (**boggle**).
> >
> > Help!
> >
> > \\/
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> JOSHUA M. ZEIDNER
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> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:27:13 -0700
> From: "Bryan O'Neal" <>
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> I have a financial broker that needs offsite backups, but as a financial
> institution they have more sensitive information then I am used to
> dealing with out side the confines of the government and I am not sure
> what needs to be done (legal speaking) to protect the data. I would
> like to slap some cheep server in a cheep colo with an encrypted drive
> and just pump automated backups over an ssh tunnel using rsync (Like I
> do for my companies backups) but I do not know if there are any specific
> security (Physical and encryption) rules that I need to meet. Rite now
> my companies back up server rotates through the homes of the key
> players, but I don't think that is a good idea for a machine that holds
> non-public information.
>
>
>
> I know there are a few of you who work (or worked) for other, larger,
> financial institutions. How did you handle offsite backups?
>
>
>
> It's late and been a long day so if this message does not make sense let
> me know ;)
>
>
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> Bryan O'Neal
> Cornerstone Homes & Development, Inc.
> 4220 E. McDowell Rd Ste. #108
> Mesa, AZ 85215
> (480) 505-1900
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> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:57:10 -0700
> From: "Joshua Zeidner" <>
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> Bryan,
>
> There are companies that specialize in the service. I don't have any
> particular references for you, but if you are dealing with financial data,
> there are some legal considerations with regard to privacy. If your clients
> security is breached you've got some major legal problems( whose problem it
> is depends entirely on whatever agreements you have made ). Secondly, if
> you use a brand name, you can highlight your service provider as part of
> their overall quality( unless you specialize in this service yourself, which
> presumably you do not ).
>
> An important aspect to this area is that the real liabilities of
> financial( and medical ) data storage( most importantly: credit cards ) has
> been _drastically de-emphasized_ in recent years. This is, in my
> estimation, due entirely to the expansion of overseas service provider
> market. Managing these liabilities gets *very expensive* for operations
> outside of the US[1], and major industry groups want to eliminate the
> liabilities of the class of actors who rightly should be responsible.
>
> NASSCOM did make an ostensible effort to tighten data security in
> India[2]. My interpretation of this is that it is primarily a PR move, and
> that there is no way that India is taking the costly precautions necessary
> in an already tight and possibly languishing services market, for doing so
> would require a combination of both internal corporate security and national
> legislation. My prediction is that as soon as litigation in this sector is
> seen as profitable by the general law community, things will get far more
> expensive for everyone involved.
>
> This is just the first company that came up on google ads:
> http://www.rsync.net/index.html
>
> Good luck in your project.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joshua Zeidner
>
>
>
> [1] consider the amount of critical data that gets sent overseas to places
> like India where there are virtually no privacy protection laws. Who is
> liable in this case? Who is liable for trade secrets? Critical company or
> customer information? It is a huge problem that overseas providers are
> conveniently overlooking.
>
> [2]
> http://news.com.com/India+to+tighten+offshoring+data+security/2100-1011_3-6070186.html
>
>
>
>
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> On 3/30/07, Bryan O'Neal <> wrote:
> >
> > I have a financial broker that needs offsite backups, but as a financial
> > institution they have more sensitive information then I am used to dealing
> > with out side the confines of the government and I am not sure what needs to
> > be done (legal speaking) to protect the data. I would like to slap some
> > cheep server in a cheep colo with an encrypted drive and just pump automated
> > backups over an ssh tunnel using rsync (Like I do for my companies backups)
> > but I do not know if there are any specific security (Physical and
> > encryption) rules that I need to meet. Rite now my companies back up server
> > rotates through the homes of the key players, but I don't think that is a
> > good idea for a machine that holds non-public information.
> >
> >
> >
> > I know there are a few of you who work (or worked) for other, larger,
> > financial institutions. How did you handle offsite backups?
> >
> >
> >
> > It's late and been a long day so if this message does not make sense let
> > me know ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > *Bryan O'Neal**
> > Cornerstone Homes & Development, Inc.*
> > 4220 E. McDowell Rd Ste. #108
> > Mesa, AZ 85215
> > (480) 505-1900
> >
> >
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> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:01:18 -0700
> From: Joseph Sinclair <>
> Subject: Re: Shared contacts?
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> I think he wanted to share contacts among his users, not loose them into the black-hole that is Exchange ;P
>
> Seriously, there are a number of options available, ranging from pre-packaged (i.e. zimbra), to moderate roll-your-own (LDAP, it's easier than it looks), to fiendishly complex (SugarCRM).
>
> As far as LDAP goes, here's an article with instructions: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2003/03/27/ldap_ab.html
>
> Judd Pickell wrote:
> > exchange with outlook for windows users, and webmail for linux users. No
> > simple or free solution to solve this problem I am afraid. Atleast unless I
> > have missed something mentioned recently.
> >
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:27:20 -0700
> From: "Bryan O'Neal" <>
> Subject: RE: Locations was Re: Why we are all here (was Re: audio cd)
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
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> Hey, I was president of ASULUG and I could not hack my way out of a
> brown paper bag.... Though some how I have convinced others I can...
> When I was in Jr. High I started a computer club, their were only about
> four or five of us and we mostly did it because it meant we got to skip
> out on class and hang out in the computer lab during mandatory club time
> (something like the last two hours of school on third Wednesday of the
> month or something... in high school I had ROTC with the same friends so
> the computer club died, but that was not the point, really...)
>
> Point is you don't need to know how to hack, you just need to have some
> people who want to hang out and share cool stuff... Perhaps you could
> even get you computer teacher or science teacher to try eduUbuntu or
> something...
>
> ________________________________
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> From:
> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Harris
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:29 PM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: Locations was Re: Why we are all here (was Re: audio cd)
>
>
> The West-side isn't west enough. Again, I'm a kid. Who would go to a LUG
> meeting organized by a kid?
>
> Ok, maybe lots of people. But how can I organize a LUG meeting? On the
> end-user/hacker scale, I'm a little more towards the end-user side.
> (Although I've convinced myself that I'm a hacker, even though I'm not
> :P )
>
> Alan Dayley <> wrote:
>
> > Ben Francom wrote:
>        >> Avondale. and it is boorrrrriiiiiiing!!!
>        >
>        > I'm in Goodyear. It would be nice if there was a REAL
>        > West-Side...rotary girder..thing.

>
>        There, Andrew. You already have another REAL west-sider to meet
> up with!

>
>        Really, we have a PLUG West Side Meeting once a month but if
> it's not
>        west enough for you, create another meeting. Just declare a day
> to meet
>        at Denny's or your garage or the closest *berto's Mexican food
> place.
>        Not need to be fancy about it at first. Just get together and
> talk
>        about your latest exploits with Linux.

>
>        Announce your intentions and get a thread going. Who knows,
> there may
>        be several REAL west-siders that want to get together over there
> half
>        way to California. ;^)

>
>        Alan

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