Re: python - zope - plone - cms interest

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Author: Alexander Henry
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To: plug-discuss
Subject: Re: python - zope - plone - cms interest
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:17:27 -0700, steve trezise <> wrote:

>
> I agree that workflows are difficult to grok, (they have been for me).

[...]
> There is something of a learning curve, and quite a few moving parts.
> But there is a lot of built-in functionality that comes along with that,
> when you figure out where the levers are.


Just one thing about this arguement... When you decide to take up kit
cars as a hobby, you don't expect the kit car company to make you mine and
smelt your own iron, manufacture your own set of tap & dies, trim wool off
a sheep for your upholstery, process your own berries into paint, refine
your own crude oil for wire sheathing. This definately is a 'learning
curve', but boy oh boy would the kit car industry suffer if everyone in it
were expected to smelt, shear and knit, make paint, refine oil.

I read "Managing Enterprise Content: A Unified Content Strategy". After
that, I could very easily put my workflows down on paper. I expected the
paper workflows to translate easily into Zope. They do have places to
make workflows, actions, and roles, but no custom content with metadata,
except buit from scratch in the Zope engine. So I'm making a kit car with
completely upholstered seats, built radio and lighting... but no pig iron
except the stuff I smelt myself. "It's a learning curve" my foot. Don't
succumb to the idea that "learning more" will help you beat it, it's like
the car industry expecting you to have your own personal iron mine and
refinery.

Now if they say the product is incomplete and the features will be
installed later, then I'd understand. Just like stored procedures and
nested selects in MySQL, it's a work in progress, they're working on it,
for now we have these features, other features are yet to come. But not
even this claim is made in the Zope community. How far would MySQL have
gotten if instead of actually working on nested selects, they published
book after book on temporary tables, and claimed that your inability to
make nested selects was part of your "learning curve"?

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--Alexander
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