I have a feeling that we are all saying the same thing, just in
different ways and, for myself anyway, leaving out part of what we are
thinking in our actual typing. Must be a PEBKAC thing here.
:)
Alex
> -----Original Message-----
> From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
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> admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of plug
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:27 AM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RE: AMD64
>
> It is my understanding that AMD has Opteron designs aimed at the
server
> and workstation market. While it is my understanding that there is
only
> one Itanium design, it has been used in both servers and workstations,
> as well. I understand that the Opteron and Itanium take decidedly
> different approaches to 64-bit processing. I believe it could be
argued
> that Itanium's is a cleaner solution, while Opteron's is more likely
to
> be widely used, as it allows people to move gradually to 64-bit
> processing. Either way, I wasn't trying to upset anyone, I geniunely
> found it amusing... But, that's just me. ;)
> -Erik
>
> >>> alex.c.earl@intel.com 04/16/04 8:35 AM >>>
> This is the problem with communicating over text methods, I didn't
mean
> to diminish the AMD64 bit processor, I was trying to examine the
> difference between the Opteron and the Itanium. We must also qualify
> here that Opteron is geared towards desktop users, whereas Itanium is
> geared towards server usage. In some respects it is like comparing
> apples and oranges, some not. My main point was that the 64-bit
> instruction set that Itanium uses is different from the 64-bit
> instructions set that Opteron uses. I don't know how I got on the
topic,
> but there you go.
>
> Alex
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> [mailto:plug-discuss-
> > admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of plug
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:45 AM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: RE: AMD64
> >
> > What I was getting at is that the Opteron is a "true" 64-bit
> processor,
> > just as the Itanium is a "true" 64-bit processor. The Opteron has a
> > full 64-bit mode of operation, along with various compatibility
modes.
> > The Itanium only operates in 64-bit mode, and must emulate 32-bit
> > execution, if I am not mistaken. I just thought it was funny that a
> guy
> > with an intel.com address said something about how AMD64 processors
> are
> > "just a 64-bit extension set to the IA32 architecture" as though it
> > makes the Opteron any less of a 64-bit processor. AMD is taking the
> > same approach that Intel took from 16 to 32-bit processing, with
their
> > move from 32 to 64-bit processing. And in fact, Intel is apparently
> > going to take the exact same approach to the move from 32-bit to
> 64-bit,
> > themselves.
> >
> > The preceding has been my opinion and understanding of the facts,
> please
> > let me know if I am mistaken...
> > -Erik
> >
> > >>> alex.c.earl@intel.com 04/16/04 7:08 AM >>>
> > That is what I understood as well, perhaps I am wrong. I do know
that
> > the 64-bit instruction set they use is just an extension to the
32-bit
> > as 32-bit is to 16-bit (again I guess I could be mistaken but this
is
> > what I understood). The Intel 64 bit Itanium is a different
> instruction
> > set (which fixes some of the problems with IA32 instruction set).
> >
> > That is what I meant by extension, extension to the instruction set.
> >
> > Anyway...
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > [mailto:plug-discuss-
> > > admin@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of David Huerta
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:47 PM
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: RE: AMD64
> > >
> > > From what I understand, the AMD64 chipset is basically two 32-bit
> AMD
> > > chips sandwiched together to act like a 64-bit dual-processor-ish
> > system.
> > >
> > > --
> > > + David "Huertanix" Huerta
> > > + DeVry Linux User Group
> > > + http://www.devrylinux.org
> > >
> > > On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, plug wrote:
> > >
> > > > AMD64 chips process 64-bit data and instructions, do they not?
> > > > -Erik
> > > >
> > > > >>> alex.c.earl@intel.com 04/15/04 1:23 PM >>>
> > > > The Itanium processor is a true 64-bit processor, whereas the
> AMD64
> > (if
> > > > you are referring to Opteron) is just a 64-bit extension set to
> the
> > IA32
> > > > architecture.
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
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