About Michael Havens, the list and the people...
Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
mailing-lists at phoenixinternet.net
Fri Nov 30 11:30:33 MST 2012
I really don't understand why subscribers of this list get their panties
in a bunch. If a question annoys me, I just don't respond. God knows
that I have posted "dumb questions" to lists. I suggest members use
discretion. I suggest Michael think carefully on an issue before
posting. I certainly have seen quality posts by Michael. I have also
heard myself say, Michael again! This list is very useful and if we
start fighting or leave the list, the list becomes useless. As the late
Rodney King said... "Can't we all just get along?"
Michael I value you on this list and hope things are well for you.
Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
Operations Manager
Phoenix Internet
On 11/30/2012 11:01 AM, Stephen wrote:
> Google can find a wealth of information, but there is no guaruntee
> about applicable nature or accuracy. however i think it is a great
> place to start and fine tune the questions you need to ask. and for me
> that is what i mean about previous research.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:54 AM, James Mcphee <jmcphe at gmail.com
> <mailto:jmcphe at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I can understand the frustration of being asked easily searchable
> questions. There wouldn't be a "Let Me Google That For You" site
> if it wasn't common.
>
> I also know that just because google says to do something, doesn't
> mean it's the right way. So even if the thing I'm doing is basic,
> and google has readily-available answers, I will still ask for
> opinions.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Dazed_75 <lthielster at gmail.com
> <mailto:lthielster at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Good thoughts all. My feeling is that Mike has come a long
> way from where he started and explores many things that most
> folks would never touch.
>
> It is amazing to me that he does some of the projects he
> tackles and still asks so many "simple" questions. I may not
> answer as many of those as a I should but there are also
> questions he asks that I cannot answer even if I do some
> researching. So I do learn from some of his threads if I
> follow them through to an answer. And that is what it is all
> about.
>
> Oh, and one thing Mike does that I wish more people would do
> is to usually post the solution even when he finds it himself
> or as a result of an answer that someone gave.
>
> I do sometimes wonder if there are people who object just
> because Mike is the most prolific user of this list. Good on
> you Mike.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:29 AM, James Finstrom
> <jfinstrom at rhinoequipment.com
> <mailto:jfinstrom at rhinoequipment.com>> wrote:
>
> The point of a LUG is to get people interested in Linux
> and build skills. This is why you have install days etc.
> I work daily with people who don't want to use Linux but
> have to on their servers. Linux is an acquired taste for
> some. My wife and kids had to be taught to love it after
> my 5th time reinstalling their computer because they hosed
> windows.
>
> Google is like common sense. Everyone has access and
> should contain a small amount of knowledge in using it.
> Fact a good chunk of my day is spent working as a google
> proxy for others. People lack common sense and the ability
> to type a few words in to google. The flip side of that is
> knowing how to read results. Sometimes the first, second
> forth page of google is irreverent or is the 1200th person
> asking a question and no one has an answer. I consider my
> self a professional google user. It is 1/2 my world. I
> have recently started burrowing in to python and some
> things (yum) are documented by a 3 year old or not at all
> so you have to turn to other resources. I am happy to say
> even when I ask something I know is reaaaaaaly dumb the
> python folks have been pretty awesome to me.
>
> tl;dr Lugs try to attract people, these people likely
> know nothing, asking a community like this sometimes
> yields higher quality results than searching. You should
> be happy they asked rather than moving on, teach them to fish.
> tl;dr for tl;dr Be excellent to each other.
>
>
>
> James Finstrom
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Carruth, Rusty
> <Rusty.Carruth at smartstoragesys.com
> <mailto:Rusty.Carruth at smartstoragesys.com>> wrote:
>
> As much as I hate 'me too' replies, in this case I
> think its warranted, so here goes:
>
> Well said, thanks!
>
> Rusty
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > ....
> >
> > I agree that you are free to block Mike if you wish,
> but I disagree
> > with anyone publicly stating 'Mike is so dumb that
> we should kick him
> > out'
> > because that express and undeserved and ignorant
> judgement and narrows
> > the limits of those willing to participate in this list.
> >
> > I don't block Mike, although I don't always answer.
> > And I have the utmost respect for him.
> > Mike, please don't leave this list.
> > Enrique A. Troconis
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
> PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail
> settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
> PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry
>
> Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending
> messages to multiple recipients, use the BCC: (Blind carbon
> copy). Remove addresses from a forwarded message body before
> clicking Send.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
>
>
> --
> James McPhee
> jmcphe at gmail.com <mailto:jmcphe at gmail.com>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org
> <mailto:PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
>
>
> --
> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from
> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>
> Stephen
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.phxlinux.org/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20121130/54e43721/attachment.html>
More information about the PLUG-discuss
mailing list