good means to find unbiassed reports about politics

[Michael]

Sorry. I was just excited by something I discovered

On Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:19 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> On 2025-01-26 07:12, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > David Schwartz you are one of the smartest guys I know,  I have deep
> > respect for you.  It is very disappointing that we are polar opposites
> > when it comes to politics and religion.
> >
> > In reading this post I am biting my tongue.  I would ask that we all
> > refrain from getting into political discourse.
> >
> > I have lots of LAMP questions and all of you on this list have
> > something to offer.
> >
> > As mentioned in a post yesterday I might currently be the most active
> > member of this list.  As said I have tons of LAMP questions. For
> >
>
> Some how I hit send....
>
> Last thought was for a number of reasons I was kind of absent from tech
> from 2019 until about a year ago. My lat Linux experience was with
> CentOS....
>
> I did a few projects however my skills got stale.  Thanks to the members
> of this list and ChatGPT I am now able to configure Ubuntu into a LAMP
> server that is configured with PHP-FPM.  For me that was a huge step
> forward.
>
> I need everyone of you and I do not want to get into any fights over
> politics and/or religion.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> >
> > On 2025-01-26 03:51, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> On Jan 26, 2025, at 12:51 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
> >>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss said on Sat, 25 Jan 2025 12:44:19
> >>> -0700
> >>>
> >>>> And when claiming ChatGPT is  giving you unbiased information
> >>>> about
> >>>> politics, especially anything that involves Trump, you’re
> >>>> fooling
> >>>> yourself. Trump says whatever he wants and doesn’t care because
> >>>> he
> >>>> conned the SCOTUS into ruling that he has “absolute immunity”.
> >>>
> >>> See. I knew the original post would come to the preceding.
> >>>
> >>> SteveT
> >>
> >> I guess that means you will NEVER, EVER, under ANY circumstances,
> >> complain about the shift happening on large social media platforms to
> >> stop fact-checking things.
> >>
> >> Because what we call the “truth” today is now a matter of
> >> political convenience and leverage rather than rooted in anything
> >> based in fact.
> >>
> >> And if facts and truth are unrooted, then why should you expect
> >> anything on a platform like ChatGPT to be any different?
> >>
> >> Remember that this whole conversation started out with an assertion
> >> that ChatGPT is a BETTER SOURCE OF FACTS AND TRUTH than traditional
> >> news media. For media that cares about the FACTS and it’s own
> >> INTEGRITY, then I’d say that’s total BS. My experience with these
> >> AI platforms is that it’s VERY BUGGY in terms of accuracy.
> >> Unfortunately, if you aren’t familiar with the subject matter,
> >> you’re not going to know that. Or even if you are but you trust it
> >> and don’t bother reviewing the material with a critical eye.
> >>
> >> FWIW, I was having an interesting conversation with ChatGPT about a
> >> variety of financial topics, and at one point it showed a split-screen
> >> type of display and asked my opinion about which response I thought
> >> was better — the one on the left or the one on the right. It was the
> >> same basic info just presented differently.
> >>
> >> i chose the one on the right, even though it had a blatent error in it
> >> that was displayed correct on the left side:
> >>
> >> In a bullet item that related to a corporation making a loan to you as
> >> an owner/employee, it said this regarding the interest paid on the
> >> loan:
> >>
> >>> _You repay the loan with interest, and the business can even deduct
> >>> the interest as a business expense!_
> >>
> >> In fact, this was the most BLATENT error I found during the rather
> >> lengthy discussion we had, but hardly the only error I encountered. (I
> >> caught over a dozen, and I’m not a CPA or even an accountant.)
> >>
> >> As far as people who like to wave stinky allegations about “the
> >> Biden crime family” taking a $10M bribe” — the one that a Senate
> >> investigation turned up nothing but a guy who lied repeatedly to the
> >> FBI, then owned-up and SAID IT WAS ALL A LIE — and yet don’t even
> >> wince when someone mentions that Trump’s son-in-law — with
> >> absolutely zero experience doing financial management — was handed
> >> $2 BILLION to manage and given a 1.25% management fee ($25M), then I
> >> rest my case.
> >>
> >> NEITHER OF THESE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS IS FACTUALLY DISPUTABLE. THE
> >> FORMER IS A BLATENT LIE THAT’S REPEATED OVER AND OVER AS IF IT’S
> >> TRUE, AND THE LATTER IS 100% FACTUAL THAT NOBODY WHO REPEATS THE
> >> FORMER LIE WILL **EVER** DISCUSS!
> >>
> >> Facts don’t matter any more. It’s that simple.  They're merely a
> >> lever to be used by political opportunists.
> >>
> >> Just for contrast, the alleged $10M “bribe” paid to “Biden crime
> >> family” is just a bit smaller than the ~$25M fee — paid ANNUALLY
> >> — to the “Trump crime family” as part of a totally inexplicable
> >> transaction that nobody in their right mind could rationalize given
> >> the other “facts” in play (that are also totally ignored).
> >>
> >> I’M NOT TALKING POLITICS HERE!!!!
> >>
> >> This thred is about one simple question: DO FACTS STILL MATTER?
> >>
> >> There are people who will go to their death bed swearing that the LIE
> >> in the case above is more compelling than the TRUTH. I know that.
> >> Y’all know that. And I’m sure someone here might even be tempted
> >> to try defending it. (That would only reinforce what I just said
> >> here.)
> >>
> >> If 40 milloin people “can’t be wrong” about this, then who are
> >> we to say ChatGPT isn't 100% factual AND more accurate than
> >> traditional news outlets — in spite of the clear evidence to the
> >> contrary?
> >>
> >> If you want to argue politics, then declare where you stand FIRST
> >> about whether FACTS MATTER TO YOU.
> >>
> >> Because if they do, then don’t waste our time with lies.
> >>
> >> Most political discussions today are a waste of time because they have
> >> become rooted in lies. And I am not interested in debating lies.
> >>
> >> -David Schwartz
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