<p dir="ltr">Sorry. I was just excited by something I discovered</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:19 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 2025-01-26 07:12, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
> David Schwartz you are one of the smartest guys I know, I have deep <br>
> respect for you. It is very disappointing that we are polar opposites <br>
> when it comes to politics and religion.<br>
> <br>
> In reading this post I am biting my tongue. I would ask that we all <br>
> refrain from getting into political discourse.<br>
> <br>
> I have lots of LAMP questions and all of you on this list have <br>
> something to offer.<br>
> <br>
> As mentioned in a post yesterday I might currently be the most active <br>
> member of this list. As said I have tons of LAMP questions. For<br>
> <br>
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Some how I hit send....<br>
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Last thought was for a number of reasons I was kind of absent from tech <br>
from 2019 until about a year ago. My lat Linux experience was with <br>
CentOS....<br>
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I did a few projects however my skills got stale. Thanks to the members <br>
of this list and ChatGPT I am now able to configure Ubuntu into a LAMP <br>
server that is configured with PHP-FPM. For me that was a huge step <br>
forward.<br>
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I need everyone of you and I do not want to get into any fights over <br>
politics and/or religion.<br>
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Keith<br>
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> <br>
> On 2025-01-26 03:51, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
>>> On Jan 26, 2025, at 12:51 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss said on Sat, 25 Jan 2025 12:44:19<br>
>>> -0700<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> And when claiming ChatGPT is giving you unbiased information<br>
>>>> about<br>
>>>> politics, especially anything that involves Trump, you’re<br>
>>>> fooling<br>
>>>> yourself. Trump says whatever he wants and doesn’t care because<br>
>>>> he<br>
>>>> conned the SCOTUS into ruling that he has “absolute immunity”.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> See. I knew the original post would come to the preceding.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> SteveT<br>
>> <br>
>> I guess that means you will NEVER, EVER, under ANY circumstances,<br>
>> complain about the shift happening on large social media platforms to<br>
>> stop fact-checking things.<br>
>> <br>
>> Because what we call the “truth” today is now a matter of<br>
>> political convenience and leverage rather than rooted in anything<br>
>> based in fact.<br>
>> <br>
>> And if facts and truth are unrooted, then why should you expect<br>
>> anything on a platform like ChatGPT to be any different?<br>
>> <br>
>> Remember that this whole conversation started out with an assertion<br>
>> that ChatGPT is a BETTER SOURCE OF FACTS AND TRUTH than traditional<br>
>> news media. For media that cares about the FACTS and it’s own<br>
>> INTEGRITY, then I’d say that’s total BS. My experience with these<br>
>> AI platforms is that it’s VERY BUGGY in terms of accuracy.<br>
>> Unfortunately, if you aren’t familiar with the subject matter,<br>
>> you’re not going to know that. Or even if you are but you trust it<br>
>> and don’t bother reviewing the material with a critical eye.<br>
>> <br>
>> FWIW, I was having an interesting conversation with ChatGPT about a<br>
>> variety of financial topics, and at one point it showed a split-screen<br>
>> type of display and asked my opinion about which response I thought<br>
>> was better — the one on the left or the one on the right. It was the<br>
>> same basic info just presented differently.<br>
>> <br>
>> i chose the one on the right, even though it had a blatent error in it<br>
>> that was displayed correct on the left side:<br>
>> <br>
>> In a bullet item that related to a corporation making a loan to you as<br>
>> an owner/employee, it said this regarding the interest paid on the<br>
>> loan:<br>
>> <br>
>>> _You repay the loan with interest, and the business can even deduct<br>
>>> the interest as a business expense!_<br>
>> <br>
>> In fact, this was the most BLATENT error I found during the rather<br>
>> lengthy discussion we had, but hardly the only error I encountered. (I<br>
>> caught over a dozen, and I’m not a CPA or even an accountant.)<br>
>> <br>
>> As far as people who like to wave stinky allegations about “the<br>
>> Biden crime family” taking a $10M bribe” — the one that a Senate<br>
>> investigation turned up nothing but a guy who lied repeatedly to the<br>
>> FBI, then owned-up and SAID IT WAS ALL A LIE — and yet don’t even<br>
>> wince when someone mentions that Trump’s son-in-law — with<br>
>> absolutely zero experience doing financial management — was handed<br>
>> $2 BILLION to manage and given a 1.25% management fee ($25M), then I<br>
>> rest my case.<br>
>> <br>
>> NEITHER OF THESE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS IS FACTUALLY DISPUTABLE. THE<br>
>> FORMER IS A BLATENT LIE THAT’S REPEATED OVER AND OVER AS IF IT’S<br>
>> TRUE, AND THE LATTER IS 100% FACTUAL THAT NOBODY WHO REPEATS THE<br>
>> FORMER LIE WILL **EVER** DISCUSS!<br>
>> <br>
>> Facts don’t matter any more. It’s that simple. They're merely a<br>
>> lever to be used by political opportunists.<br>
>> <br>
>> Just for contrast, the alleged $10M “bribe” paid to “Biden crime<br>
>> family” is just a bit smaller than the ~$25M fee — paid ANNUALLY<br>
>> — to the “Trump crime family” as part of a totally inexplicable<br>
>> transaction that nobody in their right mind could rationalize given<br>
>> the other “facts” in play (that are also totally ignored).<br>
>> <br>
>> I’M NOT TALKING POLITICS HERE!!!!<br>
>> <br>
>> This thred is about one simple question: DO FACTS STILL MATTER?<br>
>> <br>
>> There are people who will go to their death bed swearing that the LIE<br>
>> in the case above is more compelling than the TRUTH. I know that.<br>
>> Y’all know that. And I’m sure someone here might even be tempted<br>
>> to try defending it. (That would only reinforce what I just said<br>
>> here.)<br>
>> <br>
>> If 40 milloin people “can’t be wrong” about this, then who are<br>
>> we to say ChatGPT isn't 100% factual AND more accurate than<br>
>> traditional news outlets — in spite of the clear evidence to the<br>
>> contrary?<br>
>> <br>
>> If you want to argue politics, then declare where you stand FIRST<br>
>> about whether FACTS MATTER TO YOU.<br>
>> <br>
>> Because if they do, then don’t waste our time with lies.<br>
>> <br>
>> Most political discussions today are a waste of time because they have<br>
>> become rooted in lies. And I am not interested in debating lies.<br>
>> <br>
>> -David Schwartz<br>
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