zoom and teams patches

Wed Apr 29 08:47:06 MST 2020

How's the video sharing and remote control capabilities?  That is always
the issue with linux involved.

Teams, UberConf both don't allow remote control, so they're only
half-functional imho.  Even sharing alone, both were also bad about letting
me share one of my 3 displays at a time, only allowing the full 3x display,
or a single application at a time.  Zoom and WebEx allow me to show each
display individually.  It's like a feature they don't know exists, but is
damn relevant when you have 2-3 displays going at a time.

I use hangouts still for my sms as my main number *is* gvoice still, but
hangouts, duo, etc have never been too usable, or at least everyone else
just went back to the facebook/instagram/whatsapp cartel, or use their
work's service ala zoom/webex/etc.  I don't care about or use video (no one
wants to see me), I just need desktop sharing and remote control to get
their stuff working.

-mb

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:47 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> We have been using the crap out of it at work, and it does a good job,
> simple with minimal extras, but sometimes that's what you need.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:41 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Google has been making news again yesterday/today with Google Meet,
>> giving free 60min conference calls to folks.  Not used it yet, but probably
>> should try to see the capabilities.
>>
>> https://www.blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people/
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:24 AM Michael Butash <michael at butash.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >  Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?
>>>
>>> Right, not in my 20-some years around Cisco.  Why I don't do much Cisco
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> Webex finally pulled its head from it's bung a few years back to figure
>>> out how to do screen sharing AND remote control even on linux, and so far
>>> for me, is the only other decent/viable conferencing suite outside zoom.  I
>>> use it with a few customers regularly.  I've read WebEx uses the same kinds
>>> of "exploiting" the os to launch itself with windows/mac, so same
>>> shenanigans.  I'd be really interested in seeing someone rip it apart for a
>>> security audit.
>>>
>>> Before Zoom and WebEx figured it out, I was using UberConference for
>>> years, they were the original I found that could offer sharing, but never
>>> offered remote control which is almost necessary in my line of work.  I
>>> really liked the service and company, but no remote control and some other
>>> quirks (no firefox support a big one) drove me off to zoom finally.
>>>
>>> M$ Teams sharing is wonky at best and doesn't allow remote control.
>>> Microsoft basically throws in the service with o365, so many companies are
>>> using it by default, and it always is painful.  They even added a linux
>>> client, but it was poop and doesn't allow for multiple orgs ala slack, or
>>> about any other chat client known to man.  Last time I tried it a few
>>> months back, it also began crushing my system's cpu's - quality microsoft,
>>> thanks for caring about us linux people with your half-assed software.
>>>
>>> GotoMeeting still doesn't know what linux is or cares I think, luckily
>>> no one seems to use them anymore.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:08 PM Donald Mac McCarthy via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?
>>>>
>>>> Mac
>>>>
>>>> der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote on 4/28/20 10:40 PM:
>>>>
>>>> Am 28. Apr, 2020 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so:
>>>>
>>>> moin moin,
>>>>
>>>> That's not entirely true, I use Webex on Linux, including sharing my
>>>> screen,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, in the end it worked with Firefox. I had to allow some
>>>> JavaScript,
>>>> but no completely 3rd party stuff.
>>>>
>>>> I also didn't need to create an account for authentication. The webex
>>>> join
>>>> meeting UI sucks pretty badly.
>>>>
>>>> ciao,
>>>>
>>>> der.hans
>>>>
>>>> nearly every day for work. It is true that there's no native client,
>>>> though, but the workaround is to use Chrome or a Chrome-based browser (in
>>>> my case, Chromium), and Webex is able to use the built-in screen sharing
>>>> functionality of Chrome to share your screen. The only caveat I've found is
>>>> that you must use Xorg, not Wayland, as Chromium doesn't appear to support
>>>> screen capture on Wayland.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2020-04-28 15:20, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is
>>>> a no go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a
>>>> phone.  So still using Zoom.
>>>> Phil W
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss
>>>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> moin moin,
>>>>
>>>> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button
>>>> (
>>>> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using
>>>> a
>>>> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.
>>>>
>>>> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still
>>>> learning how to safely display images.
>>>>
>>>> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.
>>>>
>>>> https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the
>>>> recurring zoom issues.
>>>>
>>>> ciao,
>>>>
>>>> der.hans
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