PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 165, Issue 3

Mon Mar 4 14:47:31 MST 2019

Arch is mostly precompiled binaries if using standard pacman repos, their
standard package manager.

Installing other package managers like yaourt introduce community repos,
ala deb/ubuntu ppa repos, which may or may not just compile something on
the fly for you if no binary package available.  I don't think I've ever
NOT found something I needed in pacman or yaourt repos under arch that I've
had to compile manually, and both binary or compiling on the fly via yaourt
have worked almost flawlessly.

I've run Arch on my desktop for at least 2 years now, and it's been the
best change I've made in a long while.  Rolling upgrades are great, I've
not encountered one failed upgrade with arch, vs. like every fscking time
upgrading any ubuntu system that fails horribly, almost reliably, every
time.  I've run into a few upgrade issues, usually with a conflicting 3rd
party package that has been replaced, but otherwise has worked flawlessly.

That said, I can't make it work on my laptop to save my life, but I think
it's more a matter of current kernel, grub, systemd, and various bits not
playing nicely with my luks+lvm setup.  If not requiring things like
encryption and logical volumes, it's probably pretty easy to walk-through,
but only for an advanced (or sadist newbie) user.

Arch has been great once booting and working, I have half a dozen different
DE's installed on here, and basically rotate between what one is less
broken each upgrade,.  A fault, not of Arch's so much the individual DE's
that can't figure out high-resolution compositing, rotating between sucking
or not.  I've been using Mate for a distinct lack of compositing, which
proves most stable.  I just don't like the menu and a lack of
type-to-search feature in it...

I've tried switching off my laptop Ubuntu install as with 18.04 upgrade, it
locked me into Wayland, which simply does NOT work with any other DE on
it.  I can't launch into KDE, Cinnamon, Mate, or anything else on it, they
just fail at login - only Gnome3 (Ubuntu Bastard-Edition) works, with many,
many problems that about make it infuriating to use.  I've not hated a DE
so much in a long time, thanks Ubuntu. but stuck as the only thing working
on my laptop other than windoze my xps15 came with.  I'll get frisky and
try Arch again soon.

Trick is finding a distro you like, your comfortable with, and doesn't
randomly break with every upgrade.  Ubuntu is NOT the latter, expect
upgrades to fail you, this coming from someone living Ubuntu since 6.04.
Other distros, ymmv.

-mb

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:02 PM Harold Hartley <wheelie207 at ownmail.net>
wrote:

> I thought arch was just binary. Never knew they started having both.
> If arch is offering a binary system, isn’t that a closed system and
> doesn’t that violate open source license. That is my question.
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 13:58, Stephen Partington wrote:
>
> Arch if i am correct is both. and like Gentoo you can build as you install
> with the option of compile from source.
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Harold Hartley <wheelie207 at ownmail.net>
> wrote:
> > __
> > The first part you said I couldn’t have said any better.
> > Now isn’t arch a binary system which has their system files and packages
> in binary form.
> > That doesn’t leave much for fixing a problem on the system if it’s
> binary files.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 13:27, Stephen Partington wrote:
> >> Mostly it is just a personal preference. Sometimes it is related to the
> window manager. Sometimes it is the package manager. There are a number of
> reasons.
> >>
> >> I personally am torn between arch and Ubuntu (especially with their
> lite install option) I like both for different reasons. I have been
> considering moving to arch on my laptop.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 12:04 PM Aaron Jones <retro64xyz at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > To entertain all the people who can't do Arch.
> >> >
> >> > Le Troll Face.jpeg here
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 11:29 AM Stephen Elliott <tnflyfisher at live.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> What is the purpose of all these different distros?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Mar 3, 2019, at 12:00 PM, <
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> >> >> > 1. Re: Phoenix Linux (Matthew Crews)
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> >> >> > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:15:37 +0100 (CET)
> >> >> > From: Matthew Crews <mailinglists at mattcrews.com>
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> >> >> > Subject: Re: Phoenix Linux
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> >> >> > On 3/1/19 6:18 PM, der.hans wrote:
> >> >> >> moin moin,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I have seen references to this, but for the first time went and
> looked.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Phoenix Linux - based on lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphoenixlinux.weebly.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=gbDmb4Xv3bBpMO%2By4qtTA2sPhge2s82e39Mx3Daj%2F0M%3D&reserved=0
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Has anyone tried it?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ciao,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> der.hans
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I haven't tried it, but it looks like a hobby respin of Lubuntu,
> but
> >> >> > with none of the support (and lagging behind upstream by a
> significant
> >> >> > margin).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hobby distros, especially hobby respins, are a tough sell for me
> because
> >> >> > of the lack of support. I'd normally prefer to stick to upstream
> (in
> >> >> > this case, Lubuntu).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The same person responsible for Phoenix also makes Feren OS, which
> is
> >> >> > based off of Linux Mint (and in the process of rebasing to Ubuntu
> LTS).
> >> >> > Feren is relatively well received and does have a support
> structure, and
> >> >> > looks fairly nice.
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