<div dir="ltr">Arch is mostly precompiled binaries if using standard pacman repos, their standard package manager.<div><br></div><div>Installing other package managers like yaourt introduce community repos, ala deb/ubuntu ppa repos, which may or may not just compile something on the fly for you if no binary package available. I don't think I've ever NOT found something I needed in pacman or yaourt repos under arch that I've had to compile manually, and both binary or compiling on the fly via yaourt have worked almost flawlessly.</div><div><br></div><div>I've run Arch on my desktop for at least 2 years now, and it's been the best change I've made in a long while. Rolling upgrades are great, I've not encountered one failed upgrade with arch, vs. like every fscking time upgrading any ubuntu system that fails horribly, almost reliably, every time. I've run into a few upgrade issues, usually with a conflicting 3rd party package that has been replaced, but otherwise has worked flawlessly.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, I can't make it work on my laptop to save my life, but I think it's more a matter of current kernel, grub, systemd, and various bits not playing nicely with my luks+lvm setup. If not requiring things like encryption and logical volumes, it's probably pretty easy to walk-through, but only for an advanced (or sadist newbie) user.</div><div><br></div><div>Arch has been great once booting and working, I have half a dozen different DE's installed on here, and basically rotate between what one is less broken each upgrade,. A fault, not of Arch's so much the individual DE's that can't figure out high-resolution compositing, rotating between sucking or not. I've been using Mate for a distinct lack of compositing, which proves most stable. I just don't like the menu and a lack of type-to-search feature in it...</div><div><br></div><div>I've tried switching off my laptop Ubuntu install as with 18.04 upgrade, it locked me into Wayland, which simply does NOT work with any other DE on it. I can't launch into KDE, Cinnamon, Mate, or anything else on it, they just fail at login - only Gnome3 (Ubuntu Bastard-Edition) works, with many, many problems that about make it infuriating to use. I've not hated a DE so much in a long time, thanks Ubuntu. but stuck as the only thing working on my laptop other than windoze my xps15 came with. I'll get frisky and try Arch again soon.</div><div><br></div><div>Trick is finding a distro you like, your comfortable with, and doesn't randomly break with every upgrade. Ubuntu is NOT the latter, expect upgrades to fail you, this coming from someone living Ubuntu since 6.04. Other distros, ymmv.</div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:02 PM Harold Hartley <<a href="mailto:wheelie207@ownmail.net">wheelie207@ownmail.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u><div><div style="font-family:Arial">I thought arch was just binary. Never knew they started having both.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">If arch is offering a binary system, isn’t that a closed system and doesn’t that violate open source license. That is my question.</div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 13:58, Stephen Partington wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="gmail-m_8243085930233204594fastmail-quoted"><div style="font-family:Arial">Arch if i am correct is both. and like Gentoo you can build as you install with the option of compile from source. <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Harold Hartley <<a href="mailto:wheelie207@ownmail.net" target="_blank">wheelie207@ownmail.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">> __<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">> The first part you said I couldn’t have said any better.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">> Now isn’t arch a binary system which has their system files and packages in binary form.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">> That doesn’t leave much for fixing a problem on the system if it’s binary files.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 13:27, Stephen Partington wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> Mostly it is just a personal preference. Sometimes it is related to the window manager. Sometimes it is the package manager. There are a number of reasons. <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> I personally am torn between arch and Ubuntu (especially with their lite install option) I like both for different reasons. I have been considering moving to arch on my laptop. <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 12:04 PM Aaron Jones <<a href="mailto:retro64xyz@gmail.com" target="_blank">retro64xyz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> > To entertain all the people who can't do Arch.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> > Le Troll Face.jpeg here<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 11:29 AM Stephen Elliott <<a href="mailto:tnflyfisher@live.com" target="_blank">tnflyfisher@live.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> What is the purpose of all these different distros? <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > On Mar 3, 2019, at 12:00 PM, <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=qJghQhX9hWHCKzKKW9aBQO2zzPJ46052LA8aHlCqZm8%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=qJghQhX9hWHCKzKKW9aBQO2zzPJ46052LA8aHlCqZm8%3D&reserved=0</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <a href="mailto:plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <a href="mailto:plug-discuss-owner@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss-owner@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..."<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > Today's Topics:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > 1. Re: Phoenix Linux (Matthew Crews)<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > Message: 1<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:15:37 +0100 (CET)<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > From: Matthew Crews <<a href="mailto:mailinglists@mattcrews.com" target="_blank">mailinglists@mattcrews.com</a>><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > To: <a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > Subject: Re: Phoenix Linux<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:c07a8f64-f2ad-bc77-5bcd-1227c27d2d52@mattcrews.com" target="_blank">c07a8f64-f2ad-bc77-5bcd-1227c27d2d52@mattcrews.com</a>><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > On 3/1/19 6:18 PM, der.hans wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> moin moin,<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> I have seen references to this, but for the first time went and looked.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> Phoenix Linux - based on lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> <a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphoenixlinux.weebly.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=gbDmb4Xv3bBpMO%2By4qtTA2sPhge2s82e39Mx3Daj%2F0M%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphoenixlinux.weebly.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=gbDmb4Xv3bBpMO%2By4qtTA2sPhge2s82e39Mx3Daj%2F0M%3D&reserved=0</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> Has anyone tried it?<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> ciao,<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> >> der.hans<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > I haven't tried it, but it looks like a hobby respin of Lubuntu, but<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > with none of the support (and lagging behind upstream by a significant<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > margin).<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > Hobby distros, especially hobby respins, are a tough sell for me because<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">>> >> > of the lack of support. 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