Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

Wed Sep 6 17:06:17 MST 2017

So like right now on my laptop, I've got my windoze7 system I gave 8gb to,
two chromium user profiles logged in, about 40 tabs between them,
openoffice and plasma as the other big consumers, and it's using 21gb of
ram.  I do have a fair amount of extension in chromium installed to each
profile, but in total chromium is opening 51 threads on my system, chewing
about 12gb of that ram across them.  And that is light use (for me).

On my desktop at home, I'm usually logging into 3-4 chromium user profiles,
with tabs and apps active on each for various clients or personal, which
each profile has it's own separate set of extensions and memory space.
I've seen Chromium there chewing up 30-40gb of memory alone.  It is a
necessary evil unfortunately I find, that and I tend to not close things as
I likely should.  I started using "The Great Suspender" extension to halt
running tabs after some idle time that I just refocus to start again to
help this.

Check it out yourself with htop or ps aux | grep chrom.

-mb

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:29 PM, <techlists at phpcoderusa.com> wrote:

> What is the trick?  If I open 12 tabs on Chrome or FF both become
> extremely slow, especially if I open Yahoo.com.  This happens on both Linux
> and Win10.  I have a 4 core i5, 16G RAM, and an SSD.  I seen to recall that
> under Linux I checked my memory and I was not putting a dent in it.
>
>
>
>
> On 2017-09-06 13:06, Michael Butash wrote:
>
> I do run a lot of VM's, almost always at least a windoze vm for visio and
> crappy conferencing software, sometimes playing with firewall or other
> network appliances, sometimes linux monitoring system appliances I've
> built, etc.  That and I tend to run a lot of tabs,
>
>
>
> so 16gb of ram usually just isn't enough from my last system.  I just
> moved to 128gb of ram in my desktop as 32gb I'd depelete quick too.
>
> I certain didn't need a 1tb ssd, but the cost difference was marginal
> enough I said screw it.  My last few laptops and desktops with 512gb of ssd
> is just fine for me.
>
> I've tried the approach of running a vmware cluster at home for that
> purpose with far more resources to run VM's in, but end of the day, the
> heat/power wasn't worth it vs. just adding some ram and running what I
> needed between my desktop and laptop.  Plus vmware management is shite
> anymore related to vcenter/esx, so for my needs, virtualbox is just fine.
>
> Another big reason for the ram is chrom[e|ium] is a fsck'ing pig still.
> With my deskop usage, between chrome and vm's, it's not uncommon to run
> around 50-60gb of ram all the time.  I got tired of hitting EOM's and weird
> lag across the board as memory usage would fluctuate greatly in desktop use.
>
> -mb
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:26 PM, <techlists at phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a 1T
>> SSD?
>>
>> I'm a developer and am seeing a trend toward the cloud.  PhpStorm
>> provides for editing directly on the dev server, GIT for moving code onto
>> the staging server and then onto the production server.  I'm moving to
>> Plesk that allows me to run PHP 5.6 for older code and PHP 7 for newer
>> code, while running Ubuntu 16.04lts.  Both versions of PHP on the same VPS.
>>
>> Given that a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a 128G SSD
>> should be enough.
>>
>> Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious
>> video or image work, or doing lots of compiling...  I am think the cloud
>> and thin client hardware is the way to go.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017-09-06 10:42, Michael Butash wrote:
>>
>> Yup, the precision 3000/5000 is almost a direct clone of the xps13/15,
>> just with different graphics (geforce vs. quadro), wifi (atheros vs.
>> intel), and proc (xeon options).  Nothing else really different I could
>> tell other than price.  I went with the xps as consumer coupons go higher
>> than precision discounts.
>>
>> I usually just shop bensbargains.com or dealnews, wait for a dell outlet
>> refurb coupon to go 35-40% around a holiday, and score a laptop then for
>> some steep savings.  I got this xps15 loaded with the 4k display, nvidia
>> gpu, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for $1950 out the door.  Worst part of buying from
>> dell is sales tax.  :(
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been seeing Ubuntu offered on their precision mobile
>>> workstations...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty <Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, comparing the Alienware that I bought vs a very similar one
>>>> at System 76:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alienware: 16G RAM, 4K display, 1T rotating drive, 128G SSD, I7-7700:
>>>> List $2066, paid $1536
>>>>
>>>> System76:  16G RAM, 1080P,         2T rotating drive, 512G SSD,
>>>> I7-7700: list under $1500.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, double the rotator size, 4x the SSD size, and remove the 4K display
>>>> – and save around $500.  I'd say 76 isn't bad, price-wise.  The primary
>>>> reason I got the alien was because of the 4K and similar price (I did a
>>>> side-by-side comparison at the store. 4K really is better, and when I got
>>>> home and booted Linux on it – whoa!).  (Don't know which video card they
>>>> each had – I'm not going to be doing gaming (much?) so don't care that
>>>> much... I think)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, live booting the Mint 17.3 DVD resulted in no Ethernet
>>>> or WiFi.  I'm downloading 18.2 now to see if that's better, as a google
>>>> search seems to imply it is.  But the display!  Oh, my goodness!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, by the way – the alienware has only ONE 'standard' disk slot, but
>>>> 3, yes THREE M.2 slots – one very short, the other 2 full-length.  And only
>>>> 2 RAM slots.  Which is too bad – my Lenovo for work (17" also) has 2
>>>> standard slots and 2 M.2 slots (and 4 RAM slots) – I mean, its not like
>>>> they don't have ROOM, for goodness sake!  But then, the Lenovo was almost
>>>> $3000.  Of course, it had a 1TB SSD as well as 16G of ram and the TOP video
>>>> card...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Michael
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:15 PM
>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> system76 is expensive too
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Phil Waclawski <
>>>> phil.waclawski at mesacc.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a laptop from zareason that I've used for several years. It was
>>>> a touch pricey, but still powerful enough to do a lot. They also will
>>>> install different flavors of linux for you.
>>>>
>>>> Phil Waclawski
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Mark Phillips <
>>>> mark at phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rusty,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you check out System 76 laptops? They come with Ubuntu installed,
>>>> but I think you can ask for any distro. I have been using their hardware
>>>> for a couple of years, and it is flawless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Michael Butash <michael at butash.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just went through this with a new dell, where I used the local
>>>> windoze tools to make a usb backup imagine with their software to a 16gb
>>>> drive, and just tossed it in a drawer if I ever need to restore things.
>>>> That supposedly restores their recovery partitions and windoze itself,
>>>> which should be everything...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd not put faith in some tier 1 rep telling you linux voids the
>>>> warranty.  It was probably one of those "What is linux?  Yeah, don't do
>>>> that." sort of comments ignorant agents might spew, but otherwise shouldn't
>>>> matter.  If you restore the disk and bios to prior function, they should be
>>>> none the wiser anyways.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:37 AM, irb <irb_plug-d at maleficarum.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> * Carruth, Rusty (aka Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com) used 15K on Tue, 05
>>>> Sep 2017 at 17:21 +0000 to say:
>>>> >
>>>> > (By the way – does anyone remember the 'windows refund day' many
>>>> years back?
>>>> > System vendors refused to honor the refund clause stated in the EULA
>>>> (or
>>>> > whatever it was), claiming that Microsoft had to honor it, and
>>>> Micro$oft
>>>> > claimed that it was the responsibility of the system vendors (which,
>>>> indeed,
>>>> > it was).  But as far as I know, NOBODY got their refund....  Again,
>>>> where's
>>>> > the lawyers????)
>>>>
>>>> I remember that, as part of BALUG many years ago. I never got a refund
>>>> and
>>>> Microsoft tried to turn it to their advantage by setting up a booth. I
>>>> think
>>>> there's a documentary out there somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> When dealing with warranty crap from laptop vendors I just take an
>>>> image of
>>>> the drive. If I have to send it in I don't include the drive anyway,
>>>> and I've
>>>> never been given grief over it. Still, having an original hardware
>>>> backup
>>>> like that is kinda cool.
>>>>
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