<div dir="ltr">So like right now on my laptop, I've got my windoze7 system I gave 8gb to, two chromium user profiles logged in, about 40 tabs between them, openoffice and plasma as the other big consumers, and it's using 21gb of ram. I do have a fair amount of extension in chromium installed to each profile, but in total chromium is opening 51 threads on my system, chewing about 12gb of that ram across them. And that is light use (for me).<div><br></div><div>On my desktop at home, I'm usually logging into 3-4 chromium user profiles, with tabs and apps active on each for various clients or personal, which each profile has it's own separate set of extensions and memory space. I've seen Chromium there chewing up 30-40gb of memory alone. It is a necessary evil unfortunately I find, that and I tend to not close things as I likely should. I started using "The Great Suspender" extension to halt running tabs after some idle time that I just refocus to start again to help this.<br><div><br></div><div>Check it out yourself with htop or ps aux | grep chrom.</div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:29 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:techlists@phpcoderusa.com" target="_blank">techlists@phpcoderusa.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<div dir="ltr">What is the trick? If I open 12 tabs on Chrome or FF both become extremely slow, especially if I open Yahoo.com. This happens on both Linux and Win10. I have a 4 core i5, 16G RAM, and an SSD. I seen to recall that under Linux I checked my memory and I was not putting a dent in it.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">so 16gb of ram usually just isn't enough from my last system. I just moved to 128gb of ram in my desktop as 32gb I'd depelete quick too.
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<div>I've tried the approach of running a vmware cluster at home for that purpose with far more resources to run VM's in, but end of the day, the heat/power wasn't worth it vs. just adding some ram and running what I needed between my desktop and laptop. Plus vmware management is shite anymore related to vcenter/esx, so for my needs, virtualbox is just fine.</div>
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<div>Another big reason for the ram is chrom[e|ium] is a fsck'ing pig still. With my deskop usage, between chrome and vm's, it's not uncommon to run around 50-60gb of ram all the time. I got tired of hitting EOM's and weird lag across the board as memory usage would fluctuate greatly in desktop use.</div>
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<p>What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a 1T SSD?</p>
<p>I'm a developer and am seeing a trend toward the cloud. PhpStorm provides for editing directly on the dev server, GIT for moving code onto the staging server and then onto the production server. I'm moving to Plesk that allows me to run PHP 5.6 for older code and PHP 7 for newer code, while running Ubuntu 16.04lts. Both versions of PHP on the same VPS.</p>
<p>Given that a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a 128G SSD should be enough. </p>
<p>Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious video or image work, or doing lots of compiling... I am think the cloud and thin client hardware is the way to go.</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Yup, the precision 3000/5000 is almost a direct clone of the xps13/15, just with different graphics (geforce vs. quadro), wifi (atheros vs. intel), and proc (xeon options). Nothing else really different I could tell other than price. I went with the xps as consumer coupons go higher than precision discounts.
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<div>I usually just shop <a href="http://bensbargains.com" target="_blank">bensbargains.com</a> or dealnews, wait for a dell outlet refurb coupon to go 35-40% around a holiday, and score a laptop then for some steep savings. I got this xps15 loaded with the 4k display, nvidia gpu, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for $1950 out the door. Worst part of buying from dell is sales tax. :(</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:#1f497d">So, double the rotator size, 4x the SSD size, and remove the 4K display – and save around $500. I'd say 76 isn't bad, price-wise. The primary reason I got the alien was because of the 4K and similar price (I did a side-by-side comparison at the store. 4K really is better, and when I got home and booted Linux on it – whoa!). (Don't know which video card they each had – I'm not going to be doing gaming (much?) so don't care that much... I think)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:#1f497d">Oh, by the way – the alienware has only ONE 'standard' disk slot, but 3, yes THREE M.2 slots – one very short, the other 2 full-length. And only 2 RAM slots. Which is too bad – my Lenovo for work (17" also) has 2 standard slots and 2 M.2 slots (and 4 RAM slots) – I mean, its not like they don't have ROOM, for goodness sake! But then, the Lenovo was almost $3000. Of course, it had a 1TB SSD as well as 16G of ram and the TOP video card...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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