Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

Wed Sep 6 13:15:52 MST 2017

50-60 GBs of RAM consistently?!? A LAPTOP with 128GB of memory?!!?

I assume you go swimming in your pile of money each night after work, Mr.
McDuck!

;-)

Thanks,
Alex.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+

On Sep 6, 2017 13:07, "Michael Butash" <michael at butash.net> wrote:

> I do run a lot of VM's, almost always at least a windoze vm for visio and
> crappy conferencing software, sometimes playing with firewall or other
> network appliances, sometimes linux monitoring system appliances I've
> built, etc.  That and I tend to run a lot of tabs, so 16gb of ram usually
> just isn't enough from my last system.  I just moved to 128gb of ram in my
> desktop as 32gb I'd depelete quick too.
>
> I certain didn't need a 1tb ssd, but the cost difference was marginal
> enough I said screw it.  My last few laptops and desktops with 512gb of ssd
> is just fine for me.
>
> I've tried the approach of running a vmware cluster at home for that
> purpose with far more resources to run VM's in, but end of the day, the
> heat/power wasn't worth it vs. just adding some ram and running what I
> needed between my desktop and laptop.  Plus vmware management is shite
> anymore related to vcenter/esx, so for my needs, virtualbox is just fine.
>
> Another big reason for the ram is chrom[e|ium] is a fsck'ing pig still.
> With my deskop usage, between chrome and vm's, it's not uncommon to run
> around 50-60gb of ram all the time.  I got tired of hitting EOM's and weird
> lag across the board as memory usage would fluctuate greatly in desktop use.
>
> -mb
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:26 PM, <techlists at phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a 1T
>> SSD?
>>
>> I'm a developer and am seeing a trend toward the cloud.  PhpStorm
>> provides for editing directly on the dev server, GIT for moving code onto
>> the staging server and then onto the production server.  I'm moving to
>> Plesk that allows me to run PHP 5.6 for older code and PHP 7 for newer
>> code, while running Ubuntu 16.04lts.  Both versions of PHP on the same VPS.
>>
>> Given that a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a 128G SSD
>> should be enough.
>>
>> Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious
>> video or image work, or doing lots of compiling...  I am think the cloud
>> and thin client hardware is the way to go.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017-09-06 10:42, Michael Butash wrote:
>>
>> Yup, the precision 3000/5000 is almost a direct clone of the xps13/15,
>> just with different graphics (geforce vs. quadro), wifi (atheros vs.
>> intel), and proc (xeon options).  Nothing else really different I could
>> tell other than price.  I went with the xps as consumer coupons go higher
>> than precision discounts.
>>
>> I usually just shop bensbargains.com or dealnews, wait for a dell outlet
>> refurb coupon to go 35-40% around a holiday, and score a laptop then for
>> some steep savings.  I got this xps15 loaded with the 4k display, nvidia
>> gpu, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for $1950 out the door.  Worst part of buying from
>> dell is sales tax.  :(
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been seeing Ubuntu offered on their precision mobile
>>> workstations...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty <Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, comparing the Alienware that I bought vs a very similar one
>>>> at System 76:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alienware: 16G RAM, 4K display, 1T rotating drive, 128G SSD, I7-7700:
>>>> List $2066, paid $1536
>>>>
>>>> System76:  16G RAM, 1080P,         2T rotating drive, 512G SSD,
>>>> I7-7700: list under $1500.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, double the rotator size, 4x the SSD size, and remove the 4K display
>>>> – and save around $500.  I'd say 76 isn't bad, price-wise.  The primary
>>>> reason I got the alien was because of the 4K and similar price (I did a
>>>> side-by-side comparison at the store. 4K really is better, and when I got
>>>> home and booted Linux on it – whoa!).  (Don't know which video card they
>>>> each had – I'm not going to be doing gaming (much?) so don't care that
>>>> much... I think)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, live booting the Mint 17.3 DVD resulted in no Ethernet
>>>> or WiFi.  I'm downloading 18.2 now to see if that's better, as a google
>>>> search seems to imply it is.  But the display!  Oh, my goodness!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, by the way – the alienware has only ONE 'standard' disk slot, but
>>>> 3, yes THREE M.2 slots – one very short, the other 2 full-length.  And only
>>>> 2 RAM slots.  Which is too bad – my Lenovo for work (17" also) has 2
>>>> standard slots and 2 M.2 slots (and 4 RAM slots) – I mean, its not like
>>>> they don't have ROOM, for goodness sake!  But then, the Lenovo was almost
>>>> $3000.  Of course, it had a 1TB SSD as well as 16G of ram and the TOP video
>>>> card...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Michael
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:15 PM
>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> system76 is expensive too
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Phil Waclawski <
>>>> phil.waclawski at mesacc.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a laptop from zareason that I've used for several years. It was
>>>> a touch pricey, but still powerful enough to do a lot. They also will
>>>> install different flavors of linux for you.
>>>>
>>>> Phil Waclawski
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Mark Phillips <
>>>> mark at phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rusty,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you check out System 76 laptops? They come with Ubuntu installed,
>>>> but I think you can ask for any distro. I have been using their hardware
>>>> for a couple of years, and it is flawless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Michael Butash <michael at butash.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just went through this with a new dell, where I used the local
>>>> windoze tools to make a usb backup imagine with their software to a 16gb
>>>> drive, and just tossed it in a drawer if I ever need to restore things.
>>>> That supposedly restores their recovery partitions and windoze itself,
>>>> which should be everything...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd not put faith in some tier 1 rep telling you linux voids the
>>>> warranty.  It was probably one of those "What is linux?  Yeah, don't do
>>>> that." sort of comments ignorant agents might spew, but otherwise shouldn't
>>>> matter.  If you restore the disk and bios to prior function, they should be
>>>> none the wiser anyways.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:37 AM, irb <irb_plug-d at maleficarum.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> * Carruth, Rusty (aka Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com) used 15K on Tue, 05
>>>> Sep 2017 at 17:21 +0000 to say:
>>>> >
>>>> > (By the way – does anyone remember the 'windows refund day' many
>>>> years back?
>>>> > System vendors refused to honor the refund clause stated in the EULA
>>>> (or
>>>> > whatever it was), claiming that Microsoft had to honor it, and
>>>> Micro$oft
>>>> > claimed that it was the responsibility of the system vendors (which,
>>>> indeed,
>>>> > it was).  But as far as I know, NOBODY got their refund....  Again,
>>>> where's
>>>> > the lawyers????)
>>>>
>>>> I remember that, as part of BALUG many years ago. I never got a refund
>>>> and
>>>> Microsoft tried to turn it to their advantage by setting up a booth. I
>>>> think
>>>> there's a documentary out there somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> When dealing with warranty crap from laptop vendors I just take an
>>>> image of
>>>> the drive. If I have to send it in I don't include the drive anyway,
>>>> and I've
>>>> never been given grief over it. Still, having an original hardware
>>>> backup
>>>> like that is kinda cool.
>>>>
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>>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>>>
>>> Stephen
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