Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

Wed Sep 6 13:06:57 MST 2017

I do run a lot of VM's, almost always at least a windoze vm for visio and
crappy conferencing software, sometimes playing with firewall or other
network appliances, sometimes linux monitoring system appliances I've
built, etc.  That and I tend to run a lot of tabs, so 16gb of ram usually
just isn't enough from my last system.  I just moved to 128gb of ram in my
desktop as 32gb I'd depelete quick too.

I certain didn't need a 1tb ssd, but the cost difference was marginal
enough I said screw it.  My last few laptops and desktops with 512gb of ssd
is just fine for me.

I've tried the approach of running a vmware cluster at home for that
purpose with far more resources to run VM's in, but end of the day, the
heat/power wasn't worth it vs. just adding some ram and running what I
needed between my desktop and laptop.  Plus vmware management is shite
anymore related to vcenter/esx, so for my needs, virtualbox is just fine.

Another big reason for the ram is chrom[e|ium] is a fsck'ing pig still.
With my deskop usage, between chrome and vm's, it's not uncommon to run
around 50-60gb of ram all the time.  I got tired of hitting EOM's and weird
lag across the board as memory usage would fluctuate greatly in desktop use.

-mb

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:26 PM, <techlists at phpcoderusa.com> wrote:

>
> What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a 1T
> SSD?
>
> I'm a developer and am seeing a trend toward the cloud.  PhpStorm provides
> for editing directly on the dev server, GIT for moving code onto the
> staging server and then onto the production server.  I'm moving to Plesk
> that allows me to run PHP 5.6 for older code and PHP 7 for newer code,
> while running Ubuntu 16.04lts.  Both versions of PHP on the same VPS.
>
> Given that a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a 128G SSD
> should be enough.
>
> Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious
> video or image work, or doing lots of compiling...  I am think the cloud
> and thin client hardware is the way to go.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
>
>
> On 2017-09-06 10:42, Michael Butash wrote:
>
> Yup, the precision 3000/5000 is almost a direct clone of the xps13/15,
> just with different graphics (geforce vs. quadro), wifi (atheros vs.
> intel), and proc (xeon options).  Nothing else really different I could
> tell other than price.  I went with the xps as consumer coupons go higher
> than precision discounts.
>
> I usually just shop bensbargains.com or dealnews, wait for a dell outlet
> refurb coupon to go 35-40% around a holiday, and score a laptop then for
> some steep savings.  I got this xps15 loaded with the 4k display, nvidia
> gpu, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for $1950 out the door.  Worst part of buying from
> dell is sales tax.  :(
>
> -mb
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have been seeing Ubuntu offered on their precision mobile
>> workstations...
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty <Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, comparing the Alienware that I bought vs a very similar one at
>>> System 76:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alienware: 16G RAM, 4K display, 1T rotating drive, 128G SSD, I7-7700:
>>> List $2066, paid $1536
>>>
>>> System76:  16G RAM, 1080P,         2T rotating drive, 512G SSD, I7-7700:
>>> list under $1500.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, double the rotator size, 4x the SSD size, and remove the 4K display
>>> – and save around $500.  I'd say 76 isn't bad, price-wise.  The primary
>>> reason I got the alien was because of the 4K and similar price (I did a
>>> side-by-side comparison at the store. 4K really is better, and when I got
>>> home and booted Linux on it – whoa!).  (Don't know which video card they
>>> each had – I'm not going to be doing gaming (much?) so don't care that
>>> much... I think)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, live booting the Mint 17.3 DVD resulted in no Ethernet or
>>> WiFi.  I'm downloading 18.2 now to see if that's better, as a google search
>>> seems to imply it is.  But the display!  Oh, my goodness!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, by the way – the alienware has only ONE 'standard' disk slot, but 3,
>>> yes THREE M.2 slots – one very short, the other 2 full-length.  And only 2
>>> RAM slots.  Which is too bad – my Lenovo for work (17" also) has 2 standard
>>> slots and 2 M.2 slots (and 4 RAM slots) – I mean, its not like they don't
>>> have ROOM, for goodness sake!  But then, the Lenovo was almost $3000.  Of
>>> course, it had a 1TB SSD as well as 16G of ram and the TOP video card...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Michael
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:15 PM
>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>> *Subject:* Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> system76 is expensive too
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Phil Waclawski <
>>> phil.waclawski at mesacc.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a laptop from zareason that I've used for several years. It was a
>>> touch pricey, but still powerful enough to do a lot. They also will install
>>> different flavors of linux for you.
>>>
>>> Phil Waclawski
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Mark Phillips <
>>> mark at phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rusty,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you check out System 76 laptops? They come with Ubuntu installed,
>>> but I think you can ask for any distro. I have been using their hardware
>>> for a couple of years, and it is flawless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Michael Butash <michael at butash.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just went through this with a new dell, where I used the local windoze
>>> tools to make a usb backup imagine with their software to a 16gb drive, and
>>> just tossed it in a drawer if I ever need to restore things.  That
>>> supposedly restores their recovery partitions and windoze itself, which
>>> should be everything...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd not put faith in some tier 1 rep telling you linux voids the
>>> warranty.  It was probably one of those "What is linux?  Yeah, don't do
>>> that." sort of comments ignorant agents might spew, but otherwise shouldn't
>>> matter.  If you restore the disk and bios to prior function, they should be
>>> none the wiser anyways.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:37 AM, irb <irb_plug-d at maleficarum.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> * Carruth, Rusty (aka Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com) used 15K on Tue, 05 Sep
>>> 2017 at 17:21 +0000 to say:
>>> >
>>> > (By the way – does anyone remember the 'windows refund day' many years
>>> back?
>>> > System vendors refused to honor the refund clause stated in the EULA
>>> (or
>>> > whatever it was), claiming that Microsoft had to honor it, and
>>> Micro$oft
>>> > claimed that it was the responsibility of the system vendors (which,
>>> indeed,
>>> > it was).  But as far as I know, NOBODY got their refund....  Again,
>>> where's
>>> > the lawyers????)
>>>
>>> I remember that, as part of BALUG many years ago. I never got a refund
>>> and
>>> Microsoft tried to turn it to their advantage by setting up a booth. I
>>> think
>>> there's a documentary out there somewhere.
>>>
>>> When dealing with warranty crap from laptop vendors I just take an image
>>> of
>>> the drive. If I have to send it in I don't include the drive anyway, and
>>> I've
>>> never been given grief over it. Still, having an original hardware backup
>>> like that is kinda cool.
>>>
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>>
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