computer slow
Michael
bmike1 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 30 18:29:11 MST 2017
I think glmark2 crashed it just crashed it after about 2 hours
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> final reading:
> $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +75.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took the
> side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new reading
> since doing that about 3 minutes ago is:
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +72.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +73.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +73.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +72.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +71.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +70.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +70.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +72.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +72.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +73.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +72.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> Not bad.... about a 2C drop
>
> Now we crash it!
> See you on the other side!
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is pretty
>>> coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good.
>>> $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> want me to crash it now?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean some
>>>> cooling wouldn't improve things.
>>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and tried
>>>> to reproduce the crash yet?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second intervals
>>>>> (if it helps):
>>>>>
>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +74.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just before
>>>>>> a crash
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not feasible!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with
>>>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low
>>>>>>>>>> it will just be annoying.
>>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you
>>>>>>>>>> haven't yet:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t
>>>>>>>>>> emperature
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address
>>>>>>>>>> that with fans and ventilation, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether glmark
>>>>>>>>>>>> alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then try opening up
>>>>>>>>>>>> your case and point a fan in there.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management
>>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then stress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with dt) but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a power failure outage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more than 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and temperature limits. You may have it set with a maximum temperature so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no crashes whereas before I had just started the computer and ran dt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --timeout 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of your computer... or it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it should have no effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing slowness during render cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it runs a few minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get a gpu.... correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty <Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always Firefox
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking all of memory. (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re using).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what’s, well, on top ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something with a memory leak, or desktop graphic compositing is degrading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from another computer and check htop (or just top all you have), see if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can tell (including windoze), they're all just a varying degree of broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you push them, or just have a slow (or buggy) video card. Depending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your desktop environment of choice, try turning down graphics options,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or disabling the compositor all together to see if it helps stability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had instructions on 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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