computer slow
Michael
bmike1 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 30 18:19:57 MST 2017
final reading:
$ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +75.0°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took the
side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new reading
since doing that about 3 minutes ago is:
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +72.5°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +73.0°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +73.0°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +72.0°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +71.5°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +70.5°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +70.5°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +72.0°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +72.0°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +73.0°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +72.5°C
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
Not bad.... about a 2C drop
Now we crash it!
See you on the other side!
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is pretty
>> coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good.
>> $ sensors
>> radeon-pci-0100
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>
>> want me to crash it now?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean some
>>> cooling wouldn't improve things.
>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and tried to
>>> reproduce the crash yet?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second intervals
>>>> (if it helps):
>>>>
>>>> $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +74.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just before a
>>>>> crash
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not feasible!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with
>>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low it
>>>>>>>>> will just be annoying.
>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you haven't
>>>>>>>>> yet:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t
>>>>>>>>> emperature
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address
>>>>>>>>> that with fans and ventilation, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether glmark
>>>>>>>>>>> alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then try opening up
>>>>>>>>>>> your case and point a fan in there.
>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management
>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then stress.
>>>>>>>>>>>> that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with dt) but
>>>>>>>>>>>> a power failure outage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been shut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature limits. You may have it set with a maximum temperature so the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no crashes whereas before I had just started the computer and ran dt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --timeout 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of your computer... or it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering. it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should have no effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing slowness during render cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it runs a few minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a gpu.... correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty <Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always Firefox
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking all of memory. (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re using).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what’s, well, on top ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something with a memory leak, or desktop graphic compositing is degrading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from another computer and check htop (or just top all you have), see if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can tell (including windoze), they're all just a varying degree of broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you push them, or just have a slow (or buggy) video card. Depending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your desktop environment of choice, try turning down graphics options,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or disabling the compositor all together to see if it helps stability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had instructions on 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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