computer slow

[Michael]

 $ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +68.0°C

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +45.1°C  (high = +70.0°C)
                       (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)


On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low it will
> just be annoying.
> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you haven't yet:
>
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-temperature
>
> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address that with
> fans and ventilation, etc.
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, you're on the right track.  Try to isolate whether glmark alone
>>> can crash it, or if you need stress as well.   Then try opening up your
>>> case and point a fan in there.
>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management events that
>>> might be causing the shutdown/reboot.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then stress. that
>>>> crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with dt) but a
>>>> power failure outage,
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount of time?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>> `
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd wait.   If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by itself.
>>>>>>>> If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-).   If it doesn't crash, you might need to
>>>>>>>>>> stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-benchmarking-and-stress-testin
>>>>>>>>>> g-in-linux/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable forums.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now.  Did you run stress test for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2  --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress program, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing when warm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been shut down an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hour  and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature limits.  You may have it set with a maximum temperature so the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a temperature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitoring program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes with no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crashes whereas before I had just started the computer and ran dt for 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat performance of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2 minute thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M --timeout
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4 io, 2 vm,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0 hdd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me but there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the days where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you had a power switch on the back of your computer... or it is like a hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen Partington <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering. it should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are experiencing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slowness during render cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running darktable. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems that after I start it it runs a few minutes and then reboots the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think). Then I saw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I can not run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrome and darktable at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is to get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gpu.... correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth, Rusty <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always Firefox taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of memory. (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re using).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see what’s,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, on top ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ists.phxlinux.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Butash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because of something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a memory leak, or desktop graphic compositing is degrading over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into it from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another computer and check htop (or just top all you have), see if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what I can tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (including windoze), they're all just a varying degree of broken when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push them, or just have a slow (or buggy) video card.  Depending on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop environment of choice, try turning down graphics options, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabling the compositor all together to see if it helps stability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions on 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7 (maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the
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