accessible web-authoring system

[Kaoru Wilbur]

I saw there was something for Open Office, I'll have to look for it.
Look at this - this is on the right track!

http://sonargnulinux.com/

Eye tracking software for usability!

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Ed <plug at 0x1b.com> wrote:

> Google has a Accessibility Scanner for Android:
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.
> android.apps.accessibility.auditor&hl=en
> and the home site:
> https://www.google.com/accessibility/
>
> I have not used it yet, but it looks like a good addition to any
> deployment pipeline.
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Kaoru Wilbur <m.kaoru.wilbur at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > You could also try siteimprove.
> > They also have a free extension for chrome. but charge for the service
> > otherwise. We use that here too.
> >
> > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Kaoru Wilbur <m.kaoru.wilbur at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Eric ,
> >>
> >> Since you are on the West side... Anyway, there are a few things we can
> >> discuss here.
> >> first... if you are interested in getting involved with the w3c group
> for
> >> wcag ( Web Content Accessibility Guidelines) there are a couple of
> groups
> >> you can join. The groups on W3c itself are closed to the public. If you
> work
> >> for a certain organization that is listed as part of their community
> effort,
> >> then, you can possibly get in. An easier way to contribute is to join
> them
> >> on Github.
> >> There is a w3c wcag and ARIA. Changes, edits, etc are done there for
> >> standards.
> >>
> >> As far as Drupal is concerned, I wasn't really impressed by their
> modules
> >> relevant to accessibility. Of course, maybe I wasn't looking in the
> right
> >> place but. Yea.
> >>
> >> 3rd party plugin tool.
> >> One tool I use to check content for accessibility is Wave. This does a
> >> pretty good check of accessibility items.
> >>
> >> now, that being said, something that works during the html generation
> >> process or html "writing" process would be nice. If you know of
> anything,
> >> let me know.
> >>
> >> I am also involved in a project that is a debian based distro .for
> >> accessibility but that is a long time coming as the tools are seriously
> >> lacking.
> >> Those who have good tools charge a lot of money and I would personally
> >> like to see more open source projects with regard to accessibility -
> like
> >> the ones adafruit have listed that hans linked to earlier in this
> thread.
> >>
> >> We really need better tools.
> >> If you look at the tools listed in the W3c accessibility area, many are
> >> out of date, obsolete, abandoned or not working.
> >> For example, if you find a good tool for contrast - let me know.
> >> There are some that are very simple.  However, I think there could be
> much
> >> better tools and utilities for accessibility.
> >>
> >> Blind is definitely one are but there are many other visually impaired
> to
> >> consider - that is where contrast comes in, right.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.oyen at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would like to go myself, but I am in need of a ride from the west
> side.
> >>> There are just times when I hate living so far away from the center of
> >>> things.
> >>>
> >>> -eric
> >>> From the central office of the Technomage Guild, Dept of monorail
> >>> development.
> >>>
> >>> On May 24, 2017, at 10:38 PM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So I actually work with Drupal and have some experience wrt
> accessibility
> >>> at the University. I'll be at coffee hour tomorrow if anyone wants to
> chat
> >>> more about Drupal and accessibility - some tools for WCAG compliance -
> >>> contrast tools (how they are not working great) and what we are doing
> at the
> >>> W3c wrt accessibility and how you can get involved.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 2:30 PM, der.hans <PLUGd at lufthans.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 19. May, 2017 schwätzte der.hans so:
> >>>>
> >>>> moin moin,
> >>>>
> >>>> and another device popped up.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://plus.google.com/+adafruit/posts/6NH2VfeutQ1
> >>>>
> >>>> ciao,
> >>>>
> >>>> der.hans
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 29. Apr, 2017 schwätzte Eric Oyen so:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> moin moin,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> a post about a real-time braille converter from MIT reminds me that I
> >>>>> didn't report back on the demo for the accessible web-authoring tool.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here's the braille converter post.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://plus.google.com/+adafruit/posts/eLygbwBhra2
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The demo ended up using WordPress and was well received. The
> committee
> >>>>> was
> >>>>> impressed, but it will be some time before an official response is
> >>>>> given.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks again for the feedback. It was quite helpful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ciao,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> der.hans
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> well, here is a suggestion from one of the blind users of Linux who
> >>>>>> does a lot of web authoring.. Der Hands, you got this one?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -eric
> >>>>>> from the central office of the Technomage Huild, Datasphere projects
> >>>>>> office
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: accessible web-authoring system
> >>>>>>> Date: April 29, 2017 4:20:51 AM MST
> >>>>>>> To: blinux-list at redhat.com
> >>>>>>> Reply-To: blinux-list at redhat.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tony Baechler here. I'm sure others will chime in, but here are my
> >>>>>>> thoughts:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. The most accessible is plain, static HTML. Obviously not
> practical
> >>>>>>> for large sites, but for a few pages, it's good enough.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. WordPress is the most popular. It's generally very accessible.
> >>>>>>> There are things which could be made better, but it's good enough
> to design
> >>>>>>> decent sites. I ran a podcast with it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. Drupal is also very good, but the latest major release (8.0.X)
> is
> >>>>>>> very difficult to use and far from accessible unless I missed
> something
> >>>>>>> obvious. I had it running on a server and it was so bad that I
> gave up. 7.X
> >>>>>>> should be better, but will reach end of life in a year or two and
> only gets
> >>>>>>> bug and security fixes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Joomla is very inaccessible and should absolutely be avoided. I
> >>>>>>> couldn't do anything with it, but that was a long time ago. The
> key is if
> >>>>>>> the admin interface is accessible or not. I would go with
> WordPress due to
> >>>>>>> the huge number of themes, frequent updates and overall decent
> >>>>>>> accessibility.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Another option is wiki software. There are a lot of wiki packages
> out
> >>>>>>> there. I liked ikiwiki when I looked at it. It obviously depends
> on the site
> >>>>>>> you're designing. Of the above, I think only ikiwiki is fully
> accessible
> >>>>>>> with a text browser, but WordPress is tolerable. You can do most
> functions
> >>>>>>> with wp-cli if you like the command line. Drupal has drush, but I
> couldn't
> >>>>>>> get it to work. WordPress is much easier to upgrade and can do
> minor updates
> >>>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 4/28/2017 3:43 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> hey guys,
> >>>>>>>> I forwarded this over from the Phoenix Linux Users Group. Perhaps
> >>>>>>>> one of us can help out?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -eric
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: "der.hans" <PLUGd at LuftHans.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: accessible web-authoring system
> >>>>>>>>> Date: April 28, 2017 12:32:48 PM MST
> >>>>>>>>> To: quatsch <PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list
> >>>>>>>>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> moin moin,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> anyone have experience with an accessible Free Software
> >>>>>>>>> web-authoring
> >>>>>>>>> system?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> A friend works in accessibiilty ( all sorts of physical and
> mental
> >>>>>>>>> handicaps ) and is asking for a recommendation.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I presume Drupal, Joomla! and WordPress have plugins to help,
> but I
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> no experience. The closest thing I have to experience is demos
> from
> >>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>> blind guys using emacs for their own infrastructure. Amazing, but
> >>>>>>>>> not the
> >>>>>>>>> first thing to suggest.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>> #  Two roads diverged in a wood, and I --
> >>>> #  I took the one less traveled by,
> >>>> #  And that has made all the difference. -- Robert Frost
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