<div dir="ltr">I saw there was something for Open Office, I'll have to look for it. <div>Look at this - this is on the right track!</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://sonargnulinux.com/">http://sonargnulinux.com/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Eye tracking software for usability!</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Ed <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:plug@0x1b.com" target="_blank">plug@0x1b.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Google has a Accessibility Scanner for Android:<br>
<a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.accessibility.auditor&hl=en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://play.google.com/store/<wbr>apps/details?id=com.google.<wbr>android.apps.accessibility.<wbr>auditor&hl=en</a><br>
and the home site:<br>
<a href="https://www.google.com/accessibility/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/<wbr>accessibility/</a><br>
<br>
I have not used it yet, but it looks like a good addition to any<br>
deployment pipeline.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Kaoru Wilbur <<a href="mailto:m.kaoru.wilbur@gmail.com">m.kaoru.wilbur@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> You could also try siteimprove.<br>
> They also have a free extension for chrome. but charge for the service<br>
> otherwise. We use that here too.<br>
><br>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Kaoru Wilbur <<a href="mailto:m.kaoru.wilbur@gmail.com">m.kaoru.wilbur@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Eric ,<br>
>><br>
>> Since you are on the West side... Anyway, there are a few things we can<br>
>> discuss here.<br>
>> first... if you are interested in getting involved with the w3c group for<br>
>> wcag ( Web Content Accessibility Guidelines) there are a couple of groups<br>
>> you can join. The groups on W3c itself are closed to the public. If you work<br>
>> for a certain organization that is listed as part of their community effort,<br>
>> then, you can possibly get in. An easier way to contribute is to join them<br>
>> on Github.<br>
>> There is a w3c wcag and ARIA. Changes, edits, etc are done there for<br>
>> standards.<br>
>><br>
>> As far as Drupal is concerned, I wasn't really impressed by their modules<br>
>> relevant to accessibility. Of course, maybe I wasn't looking in the right<br>
>> place but. Yea.<br>
>><br>
>> 3rd party plugin tool.<br>
>> One tool I use to check content for accessibility is Wave. This does a<br>
>> pretty good check of accessibility items.<br>
>><br>
>> now, that being said, something that works during the html generation<br>
>> process or html "writing" process would be nice. If you know of anything,<br>
>> let me know.<br>
>><br>
>> I am also involved in a project that is a debian based distro .for<br>
>> accessibility but that is a long time coming as the tools are seriously<br>
>> lacking.<br>
>> Those who have good tools charge a lot of money and I would personally<br>
>> like to see more open source projects with regard to accessibility - like<br>
>> the ones adafruit have listed that hans linked to earlier in this thread.<br>
>><br>
>> We really need better tools.<br>
>> If you look at the tools listed in the W3c accessibility area, many are<br>
>> out of date, obsolete, abandoned or not working.<br>
>> For example, if you find a good tool for contrast - let me know.<br>
>> There are some that are very simple. However, I think there could be much<br>
>> better tools and utilities for accessibility.<br>
>><br>
>> Blind is definitely one are but there are many other visually impaired to<br>
>> consider - that is where contrast comes in, right.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I would like to go myself, but I am in need of a ride from the west side.<br>
>>> There are just times when I hate living so far away from the center of<br>
>>> things.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -eric<br>
>>> From the central office of the Technomage Guild, Dept of monorail<br>
>>> development.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On May 24, 2017, at 10:38 PM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> So I actually work with Drupal and have some experience wrt accessibility<br>
>>> at the University. I'll be at coffee hour tomorrow if anyone wants to chat<br>
>>> more about Drupal and accessibility - some tools for WCAG compliance -<br>
>>> contrast tools (how they are not working great) and what we are doing at the<br>
>>> W3c wrt accessibility and how you can get involved.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 2:30 PM, der.hans <<a href="mailto:PLUGd@lufthans.com">PLUGd@lufthans.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Am 19. May, 2017 schwätzte der.hans so:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> moin moin,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> and another device popped up.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://plus.google.com/+adafruit/posts/6NH2VfeutQ1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/+<wbr>adafruit/posts/6NH2VfeutQ1</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ciao,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> der.hans<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Am 29. Apr, 2017 schwätzte Eric Oyen so:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> moin moin,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> a post about a real-time braille converter from MIT reminds me that I<br>
>>>>> didn't report back on the demo for the accessible web-authoring tool.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Here's the braille converter post.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> <a href="https://plus.google.com/+adafruit/posts/eLygbwBhra2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/+<wbr>adafruit/posts/eLygbwBhra2</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The demo ended up using WordPress and was well received. The committee<br>
>>>>> was<br>
>>>>> impressed, but it will be some time before an official response is<br>
>>>>> given.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks again for the feedback. It was quite helpful.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ciao,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> der.hans<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> well, here is a suggestion from one of the blind users of Linux who<br>
>>>>>> does a lot of web authoring.. Der Hands, you got this one?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> -eric<br>
>>>>>> from the central office of the Technomage Huild, Datasphere projects<br>
>>>>>> office<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <<a href="mailto:blinux-list@redhat.com">blinux-list@redhat.com</a>><br>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: accessible web-authoring system<br>
>>>>>>> Date: April 29, 2017 4:20:51 AM MST<br>
>>>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:blinux-list@redhat.com">blinux-list@redhat.com</a><br>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: <a href="mailto:blinux-list@redhat.com">blinux-list@redhat.com</a><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Tony Baechler here. I'm sure others will chime in, but here are my<br>
>>>>>>> thoughts:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> 1. The most accessible is plain, static HTML. Obviously not practical<br>
>>>>>>> for large sites, but for a few pages, it's good enough.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> 2. WordPress is the most popular. It's generally very accessible.<br>
>>>>>>> There are things which could be made better, but it's good enough to design<br>
>>>>>>> decent sites. I ran a podcast with it.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> 3. Drupal is also very good, but the latest major release (8.0.X) is<br>
>>>>>>> very difficult to use and far from accessible unless I missed something<br>
>>>>>>> obvious. I had it running on a server and it was so bad that I gave up. 7.X<br>
>>>>>>> should be better, but will reach end of life in a year or two and only gets<br>
>>>>>>> bug and security fixes.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Joomla is very inaccessible and should absolutely be avoided. I<br>
>>>>>>> couldn't do anything with it, but that was a long time ago. The key is if<br>
>>>>>>> the admin interface is accessible or not. I would go with WordPress due to<br>
>>>>>>> the huge number of themes, frequent updates and overall decent<br>
>>>>>>> accessibility.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Another option is wiki software. There are a lot of wiki packages out<br>
>>>>>>> there. I liked ikiwiki when I looked at it. It obviously depends on the site<br>
>>>>>>> you're designing. Of the above, I think only ikiwiki is fully accessible<br>
>>>>>>> with a text browser, but WordPress is tolerable. You can do most functions<br>
>>>>>>> with wp-cli if you like the command line. Drupal has drush, but I couldn't<br>
>>>>>>> get it to work. WordPress is much easier to upgrade and can do minor updates<br>
>>>>>>> itself.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On 4/28/2017 3:43 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> hey guys,<br>
>>>>>>>> I forwarded this over from the Phoenix Linux Users Group. Perhaps<br>
>>>>>>>> one of us can help out?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> -eric<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> From: "der.hans" <PLUGd@LuftHans.com><br>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: accessible web-authoring system<br>
>>>>>>>>> Date: April 28, 2017 12:32:48 PM MST<br>
>>>>>>>>> To: quatsch <<a href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.<wbr>org</a>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list<br>
>>>>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.<wbr>org</a>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> moin moin,<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> anyone have experience with an accessible Free Software<br>
>>>>>>>>> web-authoring<br>
>>>>>>>>> system?<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> A friend works in accessibiilty ( all sorts of physical and mental<br>
>>>>>>>>> handicaps ) and is asking for a recommendation.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> I presume Drupal, Joomla! and WordPress have plugins to help, but I<br>
>>>>>>>>> have<br>
>>>>>>>>> no experience. The closest thing I have to experience is demos from<br>
>>>>>>>>> some<br>
>>>>>>>>> blind guys using emacs for their own infrastructure. Amazing, but<br>
>>>>>>>>> not the<br>
>>>>>>>>> first thing to suggest.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
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>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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>>>> # I took the one less traveled by,<br>
>>>> # And that has made all the difference. -- Robert Frost<br>
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