OT: Need a Campaign to Secure WIFI Sites

Fri Mar 24 14:32:24 MST 2017

then you should read Ben Bova and his asteroid and planets sagas starting with Precipice.

-eric
from the central office of the Technomage Guild, You can't take it with you Dept.

On Mar 23, 2017, at 10:01 PM, Vara La Fey wrote:

> "Library services dept." You have too much fun with that.
> 
> Familiar with all of those authors, tho not big on The Bard. And I just not long ago read Williamson's "Terraforming Earth", which I really liked. His grand-scale scope and interesting use of technology reminded me a lot of "Marooned In Real-time" by Vernor Vinge, and most things by Niven and Niven/cowriters.
> 
> Not directly dystopian - usually (but try Fallen Angels by Niven and.... uh....?), but interesting. I always loved the Baen Books compilations of "Belter" stories, where the independent-minded asteroid mining colonies declare independence from a dystopian Earth.
> 
> I even wrote a song lyric set in that kind of universe. "This world down here is done / so count from 10 to 1 / Leave a cloud of dust on the horizon / and be free again". Etc. I don't actually think mankind will ever make it that far, but I can still hope.
> 
> I always recommend Anthem and Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, and of course 1984.
> 
> On 3/23/2017 8:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> I will recommend some authors actually,
>> 
>> Isaac Asimov
>> Robert Heinlein
>> Jack Williamson (rare if you can find him)
>> Arthur Clarke
>> Edgar Rice Burrows
>> William Shakespear (always a must to understand political intrigue)
>> and many others.
>> 
>> -eric
>> from the central office of the Technomage Guild, Library Services Dept.
>> 
>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Vara La Fey wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm with ya, and I don't know what is required reading now. I'm afraid to find out. Assuming reading more than tweets even is required anymore.
>>> 
>>> I grew up on hard sci-fi, prolly like a lot of us here, so dystopian fiction is definitely an influence on how I see things. As are the things themselves. Just seeing them potentially merge is scary. I'm not ashamed of being hair-triggered about that. Someone has to be. The more the better, I say.
>>> What books do you recommend? But since I'm currently on 8 distinct (yet interrelated) learning curves, I don't promise to get through very many of them. I feel a bit guilty even asking, but what the hey?
>>> 
>>> - Vara
>>> 
>>> On 3/23/2017 6:07 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>> ah yes, George Orwell should be required reading for everyone in high school or first year college.
>>>> 
>>>> There are also some other books that might bear reading (and some of them even have a take on the current technological and political situation).
>>>> 
>>>> -eric
>>>> from the central office of the Technomage Guild, You can't take it with you dept.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Vara La Fey wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The "3 Minute Hate" was a reference to "1984", which the intended system of "three minutes" of semi-mandatory content reminded me of because it is an intended system of "three minutes" of semi-mandatory content.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't hate anybody here, and I have no reason to think that proponents of this spyware/monitoring/chastising system do either. I merely assumed that intelligent techies near my own age would understand the reference, even if they don't agree with my comparison.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I fully mean my criticisms of the system, of proposing to self-righteously take up time belonging to people who are not associated with you, and of it's abuse potential beyond the abuse already inherent in it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You don't have to be an internet techie to see that. Or to hit an overly-defensive nerve.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/23/2017 4:53 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:50:50 -0700
>>>>>> Vara La Fey <varalafey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please, waste time and effort and money patenting your /spyware 
>>>>>>> /chaperone system that monitors web activity with the intent of 
>>>>>>> /creating consequences /for activity which you - or your intended 
>>>>>>> customer - opines is "invalid". I doubt very many people will buy
>>>>>>> into it because there is no upside for them. Even when they alter it
>>>>>>> to fit their own agenda, they just anger their customers who can
>>>>>>> click OK for EULAs and enter logins, but cannot bypass your 3 Minute
>>>>>>> Hate.
>>>>>> Hate?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pot/Kettle
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A look back on Vara La Fey's previous posts shows Vara La Fey short on
>>>>>> tech and long on very nasty criticism. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Five minutes ago I procmailed Vara La Fey out of my life. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> :0:
>>>>>> * ^From:.*VLF_email_address
>>>>>> * ^(To|Cc).*plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>> $GARBAGE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anybody who agrees with me would be doing themselves a favor (and
>>>>>> lowering their blood pressure) by doing the same.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SteveT
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