<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">then you should read Ben Bova and his asteroid and planets sagas starting with Precipice.<div><br></div><div>-eric</div><div>from the central office of the Technomage Guild, You can't take it with you Dept.</div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 23, 2017, at 10:01 PM, Vara La Fey wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><p>"Library services dept." You have too much fun with that.</p><p>Familiar with all of those authors, tho not big on The Bard. And
I just not long ago read Williamson's "Terraforming Earth", which
I really liked. His grand-scale scope and interesting use of
technology reminded me a lot of "Marooned In Real-time" by Vernor
Vinge, and most things by Niven and Niven/cowriters.</p><p>Not directly dystopian - usually (but try Fallen Angels by Niven
and.... uh....?), but interesting. I always loved the Baen Books
compilations of "Belter" stories, where the independent-minded
asteroid mining colonies declare independence from a dystopian
Earth.</p><p>I even wrote a song lyric set in that kind of universe. "This
world down here is done / so count from 10 to 1 / Leave a cloud of
dust on the horizon / and be free again". Etc. I don't actually
think mankind will ever make it that far, but I can still hope.</p><p>I always recommend Anthem and Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, and of
course 1984.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/2017 8:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:FF4B772B-E5CF-4D94-AFE6-8D473C43642C@icloud.com" type="cite">I will recommend some authors actually,
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<div>Isaac Asimov</div>
<div>Robert Heinlein</div>
<div>Jack Williamson (rare if you can find him)</div>
<div>Arthur Clarke</div>
<div>Edgar Rice Burrows</div>
<div>William Shakespear (always a must to understand political
intrigue)</div>
<div>and many others.</div>
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<div>-eric</div>
<div>from the central office of the Technomage Guild, Library
Services Dept.</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><p>I'm with ya, and I don't know what is required reading
now. I'm afraid to find out. Assuming reading more than
tweets even <i>is </i>required anymore.</p><p>I grew up on hard sci-fi, prolly like a lot of us here,
so dystopian fiction is definitely an influence on how I
see things. As are the things themselves. Just seeing
them <i>potentially </i>merge is scary. I'm not
ashamed of being hair-triggered about that. Someone has
to be. The more the better, I say.<br>
</p><p>What books do you recommend? But since I'm currently on
8 distinct (yet interrelated) learning curves, I don't
promise to get through very many of them. I feel a bit
guilty even asking, but what the hey?</p><p>- Vara<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/2017 6:07 PM, Eric
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<blockquote cite="mid:E875F6BB-A231-412F-B758-B2C96F17C212@icloud.com" type="cite">ah yes, George Orwell should be required
reading for everyone in high school or first year
college.
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<div>There are also some other books that might bear
reading (and some of them even have a take on the
current technological and political situation).</div>
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<div>-eric</div>
<div>from the central office of the Technomage Guild,
You can't take it with you dept.</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><p>The "3 Minute Hate" was a reference to
"1984", which the intended system of "three
minutes" of semi-mandatory content reminded me
of <i>because </i>it is an intended system
of "three minutes" of semi-mandatory content.</p><p>I don't hate anybody here, and I have no
reason to think that proponents of this
spyware/monitoring/chastising system do
either. I merely assumed that intelligent
techies near my own age would understand the
reference, even if they don't agree with my
comparison.</p><p>I fully mean my criticisms of the system, of
proposing to self-righteously take up time
belonging to people who are not associated
with you, and of it's abuse potential beyond
the abuse already inherent <i>in </i>it.</p><p>You don't have to be an internet techie to
see that. Or to hit an overly-defensive nerve.<br>
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PM, Steve Litt wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:50:50 -0700
Vara La Fey <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:varalafey@gmail.com"><varalafey@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Please, waste time and effort and money patenting your /spyware
/chaperone system that monitors web activity with the intent of
/creating consequences /for activity which you - or your intended
customer - opines is "invalid". I doubt very many people will buy
into it because there is no upside for them. Even when they alter it
to fit their own agenda, they just anger their customers who can
click OK for EULAs and enter logins, but cannot bypass your 3 Minute
Hate.
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<pre wrap="">Hate?
Pot/Kettle
A look back on Vara La Fey's previous posts shows Vara La Fey short on
tech and long on very nasty criticism.
Five minutes ago I procmailed Vara La Fey out of my life.
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$GARBAGE
Anybody who agrees with me would be doing themselves a favor (and
lowering their blood pressure) by doing the same.
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