Cox Gigablast

[Michael Butash]

Ah, that's an interesting conundrum, haven't had to setup a website in a
good while since I let lapse my digitalocean instance, wasn't so much an
issue there.

Guess there's always reverse proxies for that if a necessity.  It was just
easier to put stuff like that out on a cheap instance somewhere I used
occasionally than fight cox anyways.

-mb

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Stephen Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com>
wrote:

> the only thing I care about for HTTP at all is my Synology letsencypt cert
> call requires 80, and only 80.
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Michael Butash <michael at butash.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed here about just doing https, I've just always used straight
>> ipsec/openvpn, or later a https sslvpn to connect home to things when
>> allowed.  Never really had a need otherwise to host 80 or smtp, and back
>> then they even blocked 443.  At some point later they stopped filtering
>> https (think Partington mentioned this - thanks again!), which made life
>> easier at least to present some form of web externally, so long as your
>> users were smart enough to put https:// first, or use a redirect service
>> in front as mentioned.
>>
>> Past few years, I use https://www.zerotier.com for connecting all my
>> hosts vs. traditional vpn to connect behind firewalls/filters, which gives
>> me always on vpn between any of my hosts that run the client and join my
>> SDN network there.  Runs on pretty much everything, including my various
>> pi/arm linux systems, android, whatever really, and give you 100 clients
>> for free.  This gives me essentially a layer 2 network between all my
>> hosts, minus multicast propagation (damn mdns address restrictions).
>>
>> I love this service, and recently noticed they have a hardware offering
>> on kickstarter even.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Stephen Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> My solution is to run everything on https with a lets encrypt cert and a
>>> port 80 to 443 redirect via my Domain registrar.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:30 PM, der.hans <PLUGd at lufthans.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 19. Nov, 2017 schwätzte kelly stephenson so:
>>>>
>>>> moin moin,
>>>>
>>>> Cox blocks incoming port 80 requests, what is your plan to get around
>>>>> this
>>>>> for your web site you plan on hosting?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cox residential blocks ports. I have gotten around it for years by not
>>>> using Cox residential :).
>>>>
>>>> Most of the time I've used Cox business, which will allow all ports. You
>>>> might have to request 80 and 25 get unblocked.
>>>>
>>>> I have also used Century Link residential, which will also allow all
>>>> ports. You will have to specifically request unblocking for port 25.
>>>>
>>>> Both will let you know if they're getting complaints about your web or
>>>> SMTP services.
>>>>
>>>> Both give you a static IP and the option to rent out a block. You'll
>>>> have
>>>> to contact them to request RR records.
>>>>
>>>> In my experience, Cox doesn't understand the concept of a static IP. I
>>>> have had 3 yanked out from me with at most a couple days notice. One was
>>>> zero notice because they didn't notice my IP was in use. That was years
>>>> ago, but I was obviously massively underimpressed with Cox customer
>>>> service.
>>>>
>>>> ciao,
>>>>
>>>> der.hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 7:01 PM, "Eric Oyen" <eric.oyen at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> oh joy! they would make you have to adapt to a new technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, You can't get there
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> here Dept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am looking at a node.js nginx build because my current hosting
>>>>>> company
>>>>>> won't support node.js without a Vps and I cannot wrap my head around
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Google cloud app engine yet for posting node.js yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 6:50 PM, "Eric Oyen" <eric.oyen at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yep. :)
>>>>>>> I am going to have to setup a DMZ on my personal router pointed to a
>>>>>>> specific machine. there I will have to setup the web server, a site
>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>> I will need to register) and a few other goodies. nice thing about my
>>>>>>> router, I can assign separate subnet segments to each port. this
>>>>>>> way, if
>>>>>>> anyone gets control of the web server, about all they can see is that
>>>>>>> subnet (and the administrative interface for the router will
>>>>>>> definitely be
>>>>>>> locked out on that port, so no control there either).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my only questiild, IT support Dept.
>>>>>>> on, what to use as a web server (I am also looking at putting an SDR
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> there for remote hf/vhf/uhf/shf reception). I was thinking a
>>>>>>> raspberry pie
>>>>>>> late generation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Gu
>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got in when they were around 2 tb. And since then they reset it to
>>>>>>> unlimited.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny thing is running my own web server of an SSD cached Mac mini
>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>> like a champ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 5:29 PM, "Eric Oyen" <eric.oyen at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well,
>>>>>>>> it took a little thinking to come up with the figure they quote for
>>>>>>>> monthly usage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consider that a typical 1080p Hi-def video stream is about 750
>>>>>>>> Kb/sec.
>>>>>>>> if left going 24/7 for 30 days, that would be 2.7 GB per hour or
>>>>>>>> about 64
>>>>>>>> Gb per day. over the course of a month, that is: 1.944 Tb. now, so
>>>>>>>> far as I
>>>>>>>> know, no one leaves their TV on live stream 24/7 for 30 days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so, given normal usage patterns (tv watching of about 20 hours per
>>>>>>>> week), plus web browsing and email, etc, 1 TB would be max typical
>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>> standard residential circuit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> now, I do have a room mate who falls asleep with the tv streaming
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> content or another, so it's quite possible that we are over 1 TB
>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>> last 30 days. Since I am on biz class here, I don't have to worry
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> that 1 TB cap. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Internet streaming
>>>>>>>> Dept.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Brian Cluff wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow... so they are literally selling you a connection that you can
>>>>>>>> exceed your monthly allowance in a little over 15 minutes of use if
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> could find a service that would saturate your connection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LAME!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian Cluff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2017 03:26 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow. Looks like they did change it right after I got it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.cox.com/aboutus/policies/speeds-and-data-plans.h
>>>>>>>> tml?zip=85228
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 12:48 PM, "Jerry Snitselaar" <dev at snitselaar.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun Nov 19 17, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Last I read gigablast was 2t not 1.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What it shows on the page for services and offers is 1024gb.
>>>>>>>>> Could be a
>>>>>>>>> typo,
>>>>>>>>> but the offer details page also said all plans offer 1024gb data.
>>>>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> out when I call. :) Would be nice if it was 2t, that would mean I
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>>> the $30 I pay for the extra 500gb cushion each month, and
>>>>>>>>> basically pay
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> I'm paying now to get gigablast. I do think I remember seeing
>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> one point where it was 2t, but that was a while ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 12:05 PM, <dev at snitselaar.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat Nov 18 17, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is what i had before gig. And the service was great. But i
>>>>>>>>>> use way
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> more than 1t of data in a month. So gig was actually a savings.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They have capped new gigablast subscribers with the 1tb limit
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>> If you had it prior to late Sept, then you continue to get the
>>>>>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017 4:38 PM, <celticgeek at celticgeek.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am using Cox Communications "Ultimate" package.  300 Mbps
>>>>>>>>>>> download,
>>>>>>>>>>> 30
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mbps upload, with measured values usually 5 to 10 percent above
>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>> values.  Also I get 1 Tbyte usage per month.  the price is $100
>>>>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am very pleased with this service.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --------- Original Message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Cox Gigablast
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Eric Oyen" <eric.oyen at icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 11/18/17 10:48 am
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.o
>>>>>>>>>>>> rg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> let me dig up the sales number for cox business.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't find the phone number directly, but there is this
>>>>>>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cox.com/business/contact-us/contact-sales.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just called them through their residential number. they gave
>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> number for direct contact: 800-529-5118 <(800)%20529-5118>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> btw, I am on cox business premier service. it's 50 mbits/11
>>>>>>>>>>>> mbits
>>>>>>>>>>>> for only
>>>>>>>>>>>> $79 monthly. I also use chrome cast here from youtube tv for
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> $35 a
>>>>>>>>>>>> month. so, I am definitely spending over $140 less than I would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> residential service (including tv).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric Oyen
>>>>>>>>>>>> From the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Support
>>>>>>>>>>>> Referrals
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I'll take you up on that. Any information on how I get
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> promised land would be very welcome!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017 10:20, "Eric Oyen" <eric.oyen at icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you might have to call cox business and speak to Jame Hidalgo.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He is
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> contact over there. btw, business class internet doesn't suffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard cap that you got charged for this last time out. they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to the fiber that you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now, sure, most of the tier 1 droids at residential customer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> service are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good people. However, anyone who has ever worked a CSr desk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all have to run from a script.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, if you call Jame Hidalgo at cox business, please tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> referred you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric OYen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the central office of the Technomage Guild, Internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> services
>>>>>>>>>>>>> referrals Dept.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:44 AM, techlists at phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asked for a supervisor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2017-11-17 12:38, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind of irritated by this ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cox lays fiber in my subdivision, has the service trucks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrapped in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gigablast" vinyl adverts ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Service folk gladly sharing that "it's for gigablast" ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did my giddy dance, nerdgasm, the whole 9 yards ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I called them each week and spoke to customer service folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be less informed than the guy last week ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bro ... that was 6 months ago. >:-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only major development was Cox billing me for going over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1TB a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth a month.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends in Auhtukee and Glendale have it, and are quite happy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why can't I have this happiness?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AloneAndHopless ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2017 12:13, "Jerry Snitselaar" <dev at snitselaar.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone using this service? It looks like it finally arrived in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood. I'd prefer to try Google Fiber, but that seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dead in the valley since their competitors complained about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were able to make with the cities. So tempted to upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
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