python

[Michael Havens]

Head First Programming says they want us to use an editor/interpreter
called IDLE. I'm thinking this is just to make things a little easier
(though I do not see how saving a .py text file and typing 'python
<program>' into the shell could be any easier). So what do those in the
know say?

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> funny thing.... the python on my system is already python3
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Todd Millecam <tyggna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No, you should not worry about it.
>>
>> My entire career, doing full-out conversions from python 2 to python 3
>> I've run into only two problems.
>>
>> 1)  In python 3, you need to output stuff via a print() as opposed to a
>> print "" in python 2
>> 2)  python 3 defaults all character encodings to unicode, whereas python
>> 2 needed a unicode string specified with a u''
>> by python 3.4, they made it so the u'' syntax is ignored and just made
>> into a string.
>>
>> Often, to get python3, it's a package named python3
>>
>> Also, everything I've seen from the head-first series is basically just
>> fluff where the authors care more about hearing themselves talk than they
>> do about covering the subject matter.
>>
>> Honestly, getting ipython/bpython installed and just tab-completing
>> everything and using the built-in documentation is as good as any textbook,
>> but starting out that way is kinda difficult.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I do have a concern though; the programs are written in Python3. In 'The
>>> Hard Way' the author is very adament about NOT using Python3. Should I
>>> worry about that? How would I go about installing Python3 with apt-get?
>>> 2.7.6 is what is installed on my system now.
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> yea James. thanks. I wish they had a free version but i suppose $50
>>>> isn't bad for a text book?
>>>>
>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:21 PM, James Dugger <james.dugger at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you are new to programming look at
>>>>> "Head First Programming: A learner 's guide to programming using the
>>>>> Python language" by David Griffiths and Paul Barry.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Head First books take a different approach to learning.  I gave
>>>>> this book to my 10 year old son who used it to learn programming and Python.
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2015 12:24 PM, "Michael Havens" <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No problem. I am doing it (badly) "... the hard way."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:21 PM, James Mcphee <jmcphe at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sorry for not responding sooner, michael.  everyone learns in their
>>>>>>> own way.  if a course is not for you, I can at least point you at how I
>>>>>>> pick up new languages.  what works for me is the old "scratch an itch"
>>>>>>> process.  find something that you want to do, and do it with a language.
>>>>>>>  start small, maybe checking your email or twitter.  it's a matter of
>>>>>>> getting some inertia behind you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please expand. How would you recommend I go about to learn this
>>>>>>>> (not in a formal setting)? I can not afford to take classes and because of
>>>>>>>> a head injury doubt I could complete it successfully anyways.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In your list I notice you do not mention learning any programming
>>>>>>>> language. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "OS shell integration"?  Is that saying I need
>>>>>>>> to learn BASH as opposed to Python?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "string operations must mean BASH....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> when you say "regular expressions"  is this a good resource here
>>>>>>>> <http://www.aboutlinux.info/2006/01/learn-how-to-use-regular-expressions.html>?
>>>>>>>> Would I use this with BASH or Python or both?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I notice that in http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ there is a
>>>>>>>> section that covers using Python with websites so handling and forming
>>>>>>>> automated web requests is probably covered in more advanced  Python
>>>>>>>> tutorials.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So to sum it up I think I need to learn Python and BASH. Is this
>>>>>>>> correct? I also need to learn XML,  JSON  (what do you mean when you say
>>>>>>>> "from xml.dom import minidom ; import json") and SQL
>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For all the pen testing and hacker stuff I went through (7 some odd
>>>>>>>> years ago), here's what you'll want to know how to do, in approximate order
>>>>>>>> of priority:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> xml and json parsing (from xml.dom import minidom ; import json)
>>>>>>>> connecting to and using a database (learn enough SQL to be able to
>>>>>>>> navigate around one here too), learning sqlalchemy will be enough to land
>>>>>>>> you a job in the field
>>>>>>>> OS shell integration (import os)
>>>>>>>> string operations
>>>>>>>> regular expressions (import re)
>>>>>>>> handling and forming automated web requests
>>>>>>>>
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