Why have HackFests been Dropped from the PLUG Schedule?

Mon Dec 1 21:50:15 MST 2014

Also, Lisa, I will announce it on our LUG page. Would you like for me to
set up a meetup also? We have an account and are happy to assist community
events!

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Kaoru Wilbur <m.kaoru.wilbur at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, this was an interesting thread.
> I would like to chime in here for a moment.
>
> While I have not experienced unwanted sexually advances by anyone at PLUG
> in recent years, I will state there is a gender bias, definitely.
>
> Some people may not experience this gender bias because, well frankly, we
> are unsure of your gender...
>
> All joking aside, as a community, we really could be a little more
> thoughtful, tactful and less like assholes.
>
> I have a mailing list for the Maricopa Pinal County LUG.
> http://list.mpglug.org/mailman/listinfo/mpglug_list.mpglug.org
>
> Let's make some positive efforts in this community.
>
> There are alternatives to this situation.
> :)
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Lyle Tuttle <l.tuttle at cox.net> wrote:
>
>>  Gee Lisa, I'm not sure I understand all of this, but at least it
>> written in English!!
>>
>> At 08:22 AM 11/30/2014, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>>
>> Hans/(All),
>>
>> PLUG (aka Hans [since actually no leadership was ever allowed] is going
>> to have to state the rules under which you are "dismissing" via schedule
>> removal a healthy regular popular venue.Â
>>
>> PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") Â is going to have to reference when those rules
>> were published and when they were delivered to me.Â
>>
>> EVERYONE has historically had their own website, because PLUG does not
>> allow:
>>
>> 1) Specific wording in announcements.
>> 2) Submitting additional announcements and extensive innovative content.
>> 3) Presentation postings.
>>
>> Examples of other historic users (in good standing) with their own
>> websites to support their presentations and community endeavors include:
>>
>> Ryan Rix
>> Alan Dayley
>> Joseph Sinclair
>> Brian Cluff
>> Alexander Henry
>>
>> The PLUG (lack of structure and rules/guidelines) consistent with other
>> cities of comparable sizes (specific examples are Seattle, Los Angeles and
>> Portland) has kept the group from becoming all that a LUG can be. Â
>>
>> Older retired penguins have devoted thousands of hours and dollars each
>> year purchasing their own equipment for community venues like Installfest
>> without anyone in PLUG "leadership" even getting a 501(c)3 rider under
>> another PLUG to allow income tax relief.
>>
>> Here's a long list of past discussions that echo these limitations and
>> issues:
>>
>>  <http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html>
>> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html
>>
>>  http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20130508.020509.d70d1744.en.html
>>
>>  http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20090806.163922.37c4d455.en.html
>>
>>  http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20101108.063046.7219d889.en.html
>>
>> The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") limiting announcements and
>> venues (like the HackFest) that promote continuing educational schools
>> (other than Mesa Community College [where he has been adjunct teacher]) are
>> obvious.
>>
>> The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") "dropping" a 7 year
>> successful event like the HackFest is HUGE.
>>
>> I have been long contacted by members active for many years who want
>> support to backup recommendations to disband the PLUG (or remove
>> "Presidential dictatorship") Â with a long laundry list of reasons from
>> sexual harassment (Example: Hans raising his wedding ring clad finger to
>> women as they wait to speak with him about PLUG matters during public
>> community events [which I have experienced twice myself]) Â to outright
>> misuse of funding ( [tee shirts and donations from local businesses] and
>> PLUG interns/students raising money for sister project ABLEConf) as well as
>> inappropriate steering to classes at Mesa Community College during
>> "OpenSource" community venues.
>>
>> I have stayed out of escalation of those issues to other authorities, but
>> "Silence is DEATH" and a Linux Users Group where membership live in threat
>> of social ostracism and promote via "inner circle relationships" (or make
>> decisions like drop a healthy venue without written rules or warning) is
>> nothing more than a "GANG" and is destined to die.
>>
>> 1) Please show me the rules under which removal of the HackFests from the
>> calendar was made?Â  If there was a scheduling issue, why was I not called
>> or allowed to reschedule?Â  Our security community and active interns have
>> been historically very changeable and this could be easily arranged at
>> DeVry University who also provide a rack at OneNeck.
>> Â Â
>> 2) Please show me the rules that state posting a discussion to more than
>> one mailing list with the same content is disallowed? Â  It is not on any
>> of the mailing list phxlinux.org pages? Â
>>
>> 3) And while we are talking about it, please show me the rules (in any
>> PLUG) that state that we can't have TWO PLUG EVENTS on the same day?Â  Is
>> that because the website php CMS software won't allow it? [/LAUGH]
>>
>> I have a HackFest iPhone and Android app ready (which can be released in
>> the next week) to submit to Google Play and Apple Store. I will happily
>> leave the phxlinux.org and PLUG name out of that code.
>>
>> Thanks for "allowing me" to continue to announce the HackFests on the
>> mailing lists. Â
>>
>> Happy ThanksGiving
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:08 AM, der.hans <PLUGd at lufthans.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Am 29. Nov, 2014 schwÃ¤tzte Lisa Kachold so:
>>
>> moin moin Lisa,
>>
>>  I was curious as to why you have removed the Hackfests (2nd Saturday of
>> every month) afrom the PLUG Calendar?
>>
>>
>> You've been acting as a seperate group for years. You have your own web
>> site and mailing list for your group.
>>
>> Â
>>
>> You may continue announcing your events on the list, but please stop
>> cross-posting to multiple lists.
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
>>
>>
>>  Hackfests have been going strong since 2008 and have students from ITT
>> and
>> strong support from DeVry where instructors provide extra credit to their
>> security students for attendance.
>>
>> DeVry University provides a rack for PLUG use (providing it is actually
>> used in context with student related open source activities) at OneNeck
>> which is populated with a VMWare ESXi 5.5 server, OpenVPN server, Security
>> Onion, Metasploitable and other images for demonstration purposes, all of
>> which has been built entirely with community contributed assets and intern
>> effort.Â  We contribute Kali CD's for lab demonstration use, promotional
>> tee
>> shirts and shared DefCon videos each year.
>>
>> We have a large following of local security professionals, with visits
>> from
>> University of Phoenix, Palo Verde Nuclear, Department of the Army and
>> GoDaddy staff.
>>
>> I have received no notice related to any new requirements or change?
>>
>> I have posted monthly announcements to the PLUG Announce list since 2008
>> and have never been notified of any other PLUG requirements?
>>
>> Please add this great linux security lab venue back to the PLUG Schedule.
>>
>> 2nd SaturdayÂ  of every month 11:00 - 2:00 PM.
>> DeVry University
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> --
>> #Â  http://www.LuftHans.com/Â  Â  Â  Â  http://www.PhxLinux.org/
>> <http://www.phxlinux.org/>
>> #Â  A Polish friend of mine got an offer for a free account from AOL. The
>> #Â  login ID was "HELLO" and the passwd "CYMBAL". She says "cymbal" is
>> like
>> #Â  a Polish word for "sucker". 'Hello sucker', a greeting from AOHell :).
>>
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