First Job

[Taylor, Kaia]

Hi Trent,

Your original email request came in a while ago, but I also wanted the group to know that there is an opening for an entry level Unix admin.  I've worked at this company since 2000.  It's a good company to work for.

You may not get through to an interview without a 4 year degree/equivalent, but why not try:  jobs.schwab.com, search for Unix, choose associate - Unix system administrator, here in Phoenix.

Kaia

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From: plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Michael Havens
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:23 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: First Job


you say recode all the man pages.... may I recommend you recode the basic ones and the ones you use. Then you could post something on a seeing impaired board saying if any one has the need of this for a certain man page they email you (or something like that).

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:07 PM, eric oyen <eric.oyen at gmail.com<mailto:eric.oyen at gmail.com>> wrote:


such ideas are often born of necessity. In my case, I need to be able to read man pages and they don't quite read right with a screen reader.

-eric

On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

> that is a great idea! I wish I could have such brilliant ideas.....
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM, eric oyen <eric.oyen at gmail.com<mailto:eric.oyen at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> I know what I should do... Recode all the man pages so that they are easier
>> to read in braille. right now, trying to read a man page in braille is an
>> exercise in frustration. the terminal window has that stupid bar at the
>> bottom that makes reading sequentially nearly impossible without having to
>> back scroll and then read more. from that point.
>>
>> The biggest problem I am seeing right now is that a man page editor
>> included with most standard installs of Linux just isn't very accessible.
>>
>> Anyway, thats my take on a project I should do. It will be something to do
>> while I am looking for work.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> An additional thought. Once you find your programming passion, look
>> around
>>> for an opensource project that interests you. Spend some time helping out
>>> on that project to hone your skills. There will be mentors there as well.
>>> You may have to try a couple of projects to find a community that you
>> like.
>>> With a little hands on experience on one or more projects, you will at
>> the
>>> very least, have some real world development challenges/solutions to talk
>>> about in an interview, something to put on your resume, and code your
>>> potential employer can look at.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com<mailto:klsmith2020 at yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since I started paying attention in about 1983, there has been an
>>>> overwhelming demand for developers.  However the other side of this
>> coin is
>>>> gaining entry.  For me finding that door was not easy.
>>>>
>>>> One thing life has tough me is most employers are looking for skills
>> and a
>>>> track record, even for the entry level position.
>>>>
>>>> My suggestion is first to determine what your passion about.  Then learn
>>>> it and do something on your own.  You might want to find a mentor who
>> has
>>>> experience in that area.  The mentor can guide you in what you will
>> need to
>>>> know to be entry level and what types of things you might do to show you
>>>> have at least entry level skills.
>>>>
>>>> Once you have decent skills you may want to keep your day job and start
>>>> doing side projects until the demand for your side projects over takes
>> your
>>>> day job.  This may be counter indicated for trying to find a job.  I do
>> not
>>>> know this for a fact, however I hear some or most employers do not like
>>>> those who are entrepreneurial. However if you would like to be on your
>> won
>>>> this is a good plan.
>>>>
>>>> If working for yourself is not for you, then you might start contacting
>>>> hiring managers and pitch yourself.  This will allow you to learn about
>> the
>>>> demand and what it takes to get one of those jobs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Keith Smith
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Trent Shipley <trent_shipley at yahoo.com<mailto:trent_shipley at yahoo.com>>
>>>> *To:* "plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org<mailto:plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>" <
>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org<mailto:plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>>;
>>>> AzIPA <azipa at yahoogroups.com<mailto:azipa at yahoogroups.com>>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:48 PM
>>>> *Subject:* First Job
>>>>
>>>> I would like a very entry level job in programming or in reporting.  I'm
>>>> not worried about the offshore competition.  The advertisements say that
>>>> after 5 years you make 60-80 K as a programmer.
>>>>
>>>> I have a degree in mathematics from 1989, a Master of Science in
>>>> Information Management (from 2009), and more semesters than not I take a
>>>> computer course at the community college.  I recently finished two
>>>> semesters of C#.  I've take CS 205 in Java, but that was over 8 years
>> ago.
>>>> I just finished the first semester of Java.  I am now taking SQL Server.
>>>>
>>>> I am  working on a Certificate of Completion in Programming at Rio
>> Salado
>>>> Community College.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, the ads tend to ask for a 4 years Computer Science degree
>>>> and a year of experience (presumably as an intern or employed in your
>> field
>>>> while still a student.)
>>>>
>>>> Also, I make in the low 40's with good benefits as an administrative
>>>> assistant, and it looks like entry level jobs don't come close.
>>>>
>>>> Do I have a chance without leaving Phoenix?
>>>>
>>>>
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