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<div><font color="#1F497D">Hi Trent,</font></div>
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<div><font color="#1F497D">Your original email request came in a while ago, but I also wanted the group to know that there is an opening for an entry level Unix admin. I’ve worked at this company since 2000. It’s a good company to work for.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#1F497D">You may not get through to an interview without a 4 year degree/equivalent, but why not try: jobs.schwab.com, search for Unix, choose associate – Unix system administrator, here in Phoenix.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#1F497D">Kaia</font></div>
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<div><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;">_____________________________________________<br>
<b>From:</b> plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org [<a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org">mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Havens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Main PLUG discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: First Job</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">you say recode all the man pages.... may I recommend you recode the basic ones and the ones you use. Then you could post something on a seeing impaired board saying if any one has the need of this
for a certain man page they email you (or something like that).</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">:-)~MIKE~(-:</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:07 PM, eric oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@gmail.com"><font color="blue"><u>eric.oyen@gmail.com</u></font></a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">such ideas are often born of necessity. In my case, I need to be able to read man pages and they don't quite read right with a screen reader.<br>
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-eric<br>
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On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Michael Havens wrote:<br>
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> that is a great idea! I wish I could have such brilliant ideas.....<br>
><br>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM, eric oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@gmail.com"><font color="blue"><u>eric.oyen@gmail.com</u></font></a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I know what I should do… Recode all the man pages so that they are easier<br>
>> to read in braille. right now, trying to read a man page in braille is an<br>
>> exercise in frustration. the terminal window has that stupid bar at the<br>
>> bottom that makes reading sequentially nearly impossible without having to<br>
>> back scroll and then read more. from that point.<br>
>><br>
>> The biggest problem I am seeing right now is that a man page editor<br>
>> included with most standard installs of Linux just isn't very accessible.<br>
>><br>
>> Anyway, thats my take on a project I should do. It will be something to do<br>
>> while I am looking for work.<br>
>><br>
>> -eric<br>
>><br>
>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> An additional thought. Once you find your programming passion, look<br>
>> around<br>
>>> for an opensource project that interests you. Spend some time helping out<br>
>>> on that project to hone your skills. There will be mentors there as well.<br>
>>> You may have to try a couple of projects to find a community that you<br>
>> like.<br>
>>> With a little hands on experience on one or more projects, you will at<br>
>> the<br>
>>> very least, have some real world development challenges/solutions to talk<br>
>>> about in an interview, something to put on your resume, and code your<br>
>>> potential employer can look at.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Good luck!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Mark<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM, keith smith <<a href="mailto:klsmith2020@yahoo.com"><font color="blue"><u>klsmith2020@yahoo.com</u></font></a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Since I started paying attention in about 1983, there has been an<br>
>>>> overwhelming demand for developers. However the other side of this<br>
>> coin is<br>
>>>> gaining entry. For me finding that door was not easy.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> One thing life has tough me is most employers are looking for skills<br>
>> and a<br>
>>>> track record, even for the entry level position.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> My suggestion is first to determine what your passion about. Then learn<br>
>>>> it and do something on your own. You might want to find a mentor who<br>
>> has<br>
>>>> experience in that area. The mentor can guide you in what you will<br>
>> need to<br>
>>>> know to be entry level and what types of things you might do to show you<br>
>>>> have at least entry level skills.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Once you have decent skills you may want to keep your day job and start<br>
>>>> doing side projects until the demand for your side projects over takes<br>
>> your<br>
>>>> day job. This may be counter indicated for trying to find a job. I do<br>
>> not<br>
>>>> know this for a fact, however I hear some or most employers do not like<br>
>>>> those who are entrepreneurial. However if you would like to be on your<br>
>> won<br>
>>>> this is a good plan.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If working for yourself is not for you, then you might start contacting<br>
>>>> hiring managers and pitch yourself. This will allow you to learn about<br>
>> the<br>
>>>> demand and what it takes to get one of those jobs.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ------------------------<br>
>>>> Keith Smith<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>> *From:* Trent Shipley <<a href="mailto:trent_shipley@yahoo.com"><font color="blue"><u>trent_shipley@yahoo.com</u></font></a>><br>
>>>> *To:* "<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org"><font color="blue"><u>plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</u></font></a>" <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org"><font color="blue"><u>plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</u></font></a>>;<br>
>>>> AzIPA <<a href="mailto:azipa@yahoogroups.com"><font color="blue"><u>azipa@yahoogroups.com</u></font></a>><br>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:48 PM<br>
>>>> *Subject:* First Job<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I would like a very entry level job in programming or in reporting. I'm<br>
>>>> not worried about the offshore competition. The advertisements say that<br>
>>>> after 5 years you make 60-80 K as a programmer.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I have a degree in mathematics from 1989, a Master of Science in<br>
>>>> Information Management (from 2009), and more semesters than not I take a<br>
>>>> computer course at the community college. I recently finished two<br>
>>>> semesters of C#. I've take CS 205 in Java, but that was over 8 years<br>
>> ago.<br>
>>>> I just finished the first semester of Java. I am now taking SQL Server.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I am working on a Certificate of Completion in Programming at Rio<br>
>> Salado<br>
>>>> Community College.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Unfortunately, the ads tend to ask for a 4 years Computer Science degree<br>
>>>> and a year of experience (presumably as an intern or employed in your<br>
>> field<br>
>>>> while still a student.)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Also, I make in the low 40's with good benefits as an administrative<br>
>>>> assistant, and it looks like entry level jobs don't come close.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Do I have a chance without leaving Phoenix?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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