OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate

Tue May 7 20:45:35 MST 2013

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com> wrote:

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> This is interesting.  Most think a mill a year in sales is a lot.  It
> really is not.  Not from my experience.  If you are doing a mill a year
> online you probably have a lot of overhead.
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> You talk about doing the reporting on line.  Who is going to do it and how
> is going to ensure the right info is reported?  Someone will work more or
> an additional person will be required.
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> And I do not think we would " pipe xen cart on LAMP into quick books on
> windows real time"  The correct amount of sales tax must be figure during
> the sale based on local.
>
> I work with these issues on a daily basis. it is going to be a nightmare.

I am continually amazed at the expertise in these supposedly OT discussions.

This was a great read Bryan and Keith!

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> Keith Smith
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> --- On *Tue, 5/7/13, Bryan O'Neal <Bryan.ONeal at TheONealAndAssociates.com>*wrote:
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> From: Bryan O'Neal <Bryan.ONeal at TheONealAndAssociates.com>
> Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
> Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:31 PM
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> Data exchange can be done - If I can pipe xen cart on LAMP into quick
> books on windows real time after a weekend of playing around I am sure some
> one like intuit will have way to cover you. That said - it will take a year
> or two for the dust to settle and it will cost people to comply. But if you
> sell $1M/year and you can not afford a $1500 bump in expenses I would say
> your margins are too thin to survive. As far as remittance most states
> allow you to do the monthly remittance online. I wrote a simple script for
> the sate of AZ so again, I think biger software companies can handle making
> it very simple for you. And again, if you are doing a mill in sales and you
> are not using some form of software that has active development you will
> have problems.
> What I am trying to say is the concept is not as daunting as it may sound.
> The problem is not in the concept, however the execution will be very
> painful. And this will cause a lot of problems for a lot of people.
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> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:19 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=klsmith2020@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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> It will not be as simple as tying one software package into another.  What
> if the provided software runs on Win8 and your cart is running on a LAMP
> server?
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> Keith Smith
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> --- On *Tue, 5/7/13, Bryan O'Neal <Bryan.ONeal at TheONealAndAssociates.com>*wrote:
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> From: Bryan O'Neal <Bryan.ONeal at TheONealAndAssociates.com>
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> Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org<http://mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
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> Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:11 PM
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> The real problem is internal US internet sales will be less competitive.
>  The regulations will be difficult at first but within a few years they
> will just tie the sales software into the tax software and it will be easy
> to calculate and deal with in real time with very little additional cost.
> The solution to competition is either use of an import tax or forcing
> compliance on any one who sells inside the us. And our sales to the outside
> will not be effected because other countries are not doing this... So
> purchasing from the US if you happen to be in some non US company looks
> just the same. In all truth... Sales tax is more progressive then income
> tax, so.... I am not sure I have an issue with it more then the
> predefined statement that TAXES ARE TOO DAM HIGH!
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> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jason Poulter <polt at snaptek.com<http://mc/compose?to=polt@snaptek.com>
> > wrote:
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> It will just force people to buy things from sites and countries where
> they don't collect taxes , so really justs hurt the economy more losing out
> on sales that make economy better
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> Eric Cope <eric.cope at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=eric.cope@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
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> http://blog2.easydns.org/2013/05/07/go-ahead-pass-the-internet-tax-your-foreign-competitors-thank-you-in-advance/
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> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Stephen <cryptworks at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=cryptworks@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> I also envision allot of quote building instead of online direct purchase.
> On May 7, 2013 1:43 PM, "keith smith" <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=klsmith2020@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
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> Great idea.  Phone orders only, placed through a local terminal not the
> website.  Excellent!!
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> --- On *Tue, 5/7/13, James Finstrom <jfinstrom at rhinoequipment.com<http://mc/compose?to=jfinstrom@rhinoequipment.com>
> >* wrote:
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> From: James Finstrom <jfinstrom at rhinoequipment.com<http://mc/compose?to=jfinstrom@rhinoequipment.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org<http://mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
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> Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 10:11 AM
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> I predict "call to order" then the sale is not an "internet sale".
>
> Much like companies are cutting employee hours to avoid obamacare people
> will find a way to avoid this.
>
> James Finstrom
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> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:19 AM, JD Austin <jd at twingeckos.com<http://mc/compose?to=jd@twingeckos.com>
> > wrote:
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> Great.. one more way to KILL small business by making them less
> competitive and increasing their overhead.  Companies will just adapt to
> this BS (and regular employees will pay for it).. getting close to
> 1M/year... time to SPLIT THE COMPANY.
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> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Lisa Kachold <lisakachold at obnosis.com<http://mc/compose?to=lisakachold@obnosis.com>
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> Keith:
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> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=klsmith2020@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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> The U.S. Senate passed the Internet Sales Tax Bill.  Jeff Flake's office
> says he voted against it and John McCain's office said he voted FOR it.
>
> It is being reported there in some 9,600 taxing authorities in the U.S.
> Add to that 560 or so Indian tribe taxing authorities. That is over 10,000
> taxing authorities.  Yikes!!  Any company with 1 million in sales will be
> required to comply.  I can tell you that a company that has 1 million in
> sales is not a big company.  That online retailer might consist of 2 or 3
> employees with some additional help from a number of consultants and
> potentially a fulfillment center.
>
> From first hand experience, I would say this law, if passed by the U.S.
> House, will cause a bunch of small online retailers to either go out of
> business or reduce sales through raising prices or some other method.
>
> This may very well play out like ObamaCare where companies are reducing
> the hours of their employees so they have less than 50 full-time
> employees.   In other words we will experience the unintended consequences
> of these laws.
>
> These polices effect each of us.
>
>
> Yikes, yes!  And that will provide the revenue to expand Internet
> government regulation and compliance.
>
> Sadly, it had to happen.
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