OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?

Tue Jul 2 20:26:33 MST 2013

Sam!

One of my favorite people!

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Sam Kreimeyer <skreimey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lisa, I've been trying to make that point for a long time. Power is
> ultimately only what you believe it is. The NSA (a fictional abstraction of
> self-responsible individuals), is only as powerful as people's belief in
> its authority and willingness to act on those beliefs.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs
> This video provides a nice graphical representation of the reality of the
> situation.
>

I LOVE THIS!

>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Eric Cope <eric.cope at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> seems on topic to this off topic discussion...
>>
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/text-of-a-july-2-2013-letter-to-edward-snowden-from-his-father-and-fathers-attorney/2013/07/02/e62ff87e-e350-11e2-bffd-37a36ddab820_story.html
>>
>> Eric
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>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:01 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Just say no to FEEMA!  If you say no to ObamaCare it will cost you some
>>> tax dollars (fine).  If you say no to gun control you might go to jail.
>>>
>>> ------------------------
>>> Keith Smith
>>>
>>> --- On *Tue, 7/2/13, skreimey at gmail.com <skreimey at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: skreimey at gmail.com <skreimey at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?
>>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 8:55 AM
>>>
>>> Writing my reps didn't accomplish much during TARP. Finding ways to not
>>> participate in or support policies you oppose in your daily life is
>>> probably the most effective form of activism.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "keith smith" <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "Ken" <parabellum7 at yahoo.com>, "Main PLUG discussion list" <
>>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
>>> Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?
>>> Date: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 5:01 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would vet them first.  You can always call, email, or fax your us rep
>>> and us senators.
>>>
>>> This looks like a Gov site.  If it is I'd stay away.
>>>
>>> ------------------------
>>> Keith Smith
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 7/1/13, Ken <parabellum7 at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Ken <parabellum7 at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?
>>> To: "plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org" <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
>>> Date: Monday, July 1, 2013, 1:17 PM
>>>
>>> Are these online petitions worth signing? Or is it just a way to get
>>> your email addy on more spam lists?
>>>
>>>
>>> -K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>>  *From:* Change.org <mail at change.org>
>>> *To:* parabellum7 at yahoo.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2013 9:39 AM
>>> *Subject:* Secret spying on your Internet activity?
>>>
>>>           [image: Change.org]<http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=BizydprrY4ejVwB6tCsPq-2F-2FX2-2BNXx8E-2Ff00lPssjFuA-3D_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWaiSKm6iA-2BtSGVf1ngjtP3NARaFLQncsb6QodpZ2RWqByJO-2FxS3sbZ4c5oIcCY011YL2Xk0mgWa0EkJ8Gq8fs5BTNynVp7b6FfsR7ilSB8w83JPYVvsOxT3kFGIyQ7LZ12cPyBOoXCI7gtwg8RZKJmA-3D-3D>
>>>               *Ken* - There's a new petition taking off on Change.org,
>>> and we think you might be interested in signing it:
>>>             <http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=L4wUyO6b13sjdmUXmXaF3ImVTD6G6GFyhYT-2F9kLEoC-2Bh9CqsdU4ynONTJ6skFJN3qKgIucR6n35B-2BaxwC0Pq2sgPVv3FohPnXvsUCa0EZRDrpfr9ljUq2HUQAQDh8sCgMwSQakv9osVjpZDek7AuphE1KQZRK0xy5A-2BX6mevoff5aP2HMk5Iqj-2FFvHauQSLLoQEtFzQGhRL47PvWc5Kafyql1o480YZIOK5LtBJVFlMy7DXxKWKbVAQdr1RVopTZ_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWY0VTqQSMQwFv2YGBcpa8Zr-2BCHXimETZAk-2Fba6QA9hiIDFIBOoqmEdVzkyxzm77rAK1d55mgNnGl5wmcnUOse6cg8tRt5HYORtCXmGrcme5Ibo9Y5Fd3qeK4dnlARxGb8cjylfAoe55yY259-2BHp5XMQ-3D-3D>      Eric
>>> Holder: Allow tech companies to publish NSA PRISM data
>>> <http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=L4wUyO6b13sjdmUXmXaF3ImVTD6G6GFyhYT-2F9kLEoC-2Bh9CqsdU4ynONTJ6skFJN3qKgIucR6n35B-2BaxwC0Pq2sgPVv3FohPnXvsUCa0EZRDrpfr9ljUq2HUQAQDh8sCgMwSQakv9osVjpZDek7AuphE1KQZRK0xy5A-2BX6mevoff5aP2HMk5Iqj-2FFvHauQSLLoQEtFzQGhRL47PvWc5Kafyql1o480YZIOK5LtBJVFlMy7DXxKWKbVAQdr1RVopTZ_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWjcfC5vJ0AE6hVXGHCs9PenYkAoe5SSKOOoMN9nm7DgPn0AbjkM5mcAMdiD-2BLCutXHqko7es271x-2BHQtg6iecyqMAEoiYQxd4IY6qIPYdc3-2BQ9IvMBGLO71Ba5lHqibzajq9vUp-2BJYa4aKgjkmwPhRw-3D-3D>       By Alec F.   Alameda, California
>>>  Sign Alec's Petition
>>> <http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=L4wUyO6b13sjdmUXmXaF3ImVTD6G6GFyhYT-2F9kLEoC-2Bh9CqsdU4ynONTJ6skFJN3qKgIucR6n35B-2BaxwC0Pq2sgPVv3FohPnXvsUCa0EZRDrpfr9ljUq2HUQAQDh8sCgMwSQakv9osVjpZDek7AuphE1KQZRK0xy5A-2BX6mevoff5aP2HMk5Iqj-2FFvHauQSLLoQEtFzQGhRL47PvWc5Kafyql1o480YZIOK5LtBJVFlMy7DXxKWKbVAQdr1RVopTZ_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedW0fP5idSm3t1h0ki0TiThMdTl-2B-2B6NPaTV0JR7i-2Be7bJAoDLJjuy5LZqBomu24-2Bpo-2B6kAZ45HeR4Li-2Fmq8BuOtA2dTMHBZ4ISTstO-2Bg-2FTtGpYGLusaZsjm5OIkbPQz5vBPn1N85FR2Uq0sgcvsed7PJw-3D-3D>
>>>             After a leak of documents from the National Security Agency
>>> showed that a secret program called PRISM allows widespread surveillance of
>>> U.S. citizens' phone and internet activities with some of the world's
>>> biggest tech corporations, the nation is concerned and confused about our
>>> privacy rights.
>>> President Obama and the NSA have stated that widespread spying of
>>> Americans is not taking place and that the government is only requesting
>>> certain data from these companies. There is an easy way to show if this is
>>> true and that companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Twitter have
>>> taken the commendable step of requesting that the NSA allow them to publish
>>> the records of government data requests in their company transparency
>>> reports.
>>> In part, Google's letter states:
>>> *Assertions in the press that our compliance with these requests gives
>>> the U.S. government unfettered access to our users’ data are simply untrue.
>>> However, government nondisclosure obligations regarding the number of FISA
>>> national security requests that Google receives, as well as the number of
>>> accounts covered by those requests, fuel that speculation.*
>>> *
>>> We therefore ask you to help make it possible for Google to publish in
>>> our Transparency Report<http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=1mmeex-2FjZn-2FwcNsRwSa6Vb1BAjT-2Fy11qFaLyn60GQxdkFjG0h2LCmON6FueK8875hyVQ3-2F2RksE7Cv2-2B5N91TVNKfrMASCuSq3bk3Ud3YmM-3D_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWSURcmzxAQMRbTmQ-2BPWnDEJ59Ki2zUIhWLGQsI8bvwZYGNwYnRrW2bO9QaAs6G-2B20KY8kzYXXnJDr8y5h-2BStokSxoOXa4RvjWSE0avMHtXIaRHrEhVEzdMxIoG6WmPm3gp8biOvJ63f-2FjG-2Fkf-2BKudew-3D-3D> aggregate
>>> numbers of national security requests, including FISA disclosures—in terms
>>> of both the number we receive and their scope. Google’s numbers would
>>> clearly show that our compliance with these requests falls far short of the
>>> claims being made. Google has nothing to hide. *
>>> The government allowed Google to start reporting the number of national
>>> security letters they received requesting data earlier this year, but
>>> they are still barred from releasing information about Foreign Intelligence
>>> Surveillance Act (FISA) orders. The requests for this data often comes in
>>> the form of secret court orders that not only force these companies to give
>>> data but also make it impossible for them to discuss even the basic
>>> details. That should change.
>>> By allowing these companies to include this information in their
>>> transparency reports, the government will be giving American citizens at
>>> least some of the insight we deserve about how our daily activities like
>>> emails and Google searches are being tracked by the government.
>>>          Sign Alec's Petition
>>> <http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=L4wUyO6b13sjdmUXmXaF3ImVTD6G6GFyhYT-2F9kLEoC-2Bh9CqsdU4ynONTJ6skFJN3qKgIucR6n35B-2BaxwC0Pq2sgPVv3FohPnXvsUCa0EZRDrpfr9ljUq2HUQAQDh8sCgMwSQakv9osVjpZDek7AuphE1KQZRK0xy5A-2BX6mevoff5aP2HMk5Iqj-2FFvHauQSLLoQEtFzQGhRL47PvWc5Kafyql1o480YZIOK5LtBJVFlMy7DXxKWKbVAQdr1RVopTZ_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWvA2wqAyOjgHaVAcL3xTotZlv-2BkqUcNX5OcNB24gz416RXY8VSR2M3PnaNBEq-2BvmWlS6v-2FzlVwhuxA1eWX-2BVk3Ymk8Yr-2FkYwsxme3e-2FYZNIRaM7NKpS4KSf1hK5xvWrQNpkapdw4PcgpHifQRYdXq8g-3D-3D>
>>>               The person (or organization) who started this petition is
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>>> is not responsible for the petition content.
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