Sam!<br><br>One of my favorite people!<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Sam Kreimeyer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skreimey@gmail.com" target="_blank">skreimey@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Lisa, I've been trying to make that point for a long time. Power is ultimately only what you believe it is. The NSA (a fictional abstraction of self-responsible individuals), is only as powerful as people's belief in its authority and willingness to act on those beliefs.<br>
<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs</a><br></div>This video provides a nice graphical representation of the reality of the situation.<br></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I LOVE THIS! </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Eric Cope <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eric.cope@gmail.com" target="_blank">eric.cope@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">seems on topic to this off topic discussion...<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/text-of-a-july-2-2013-letter-to-edward-snowden-from-his-father-and-fathers-attorney/2013/07/02/e62ff87e-e350-11e2-bffd-37a36ddab820_story.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/text-of-a-july-2-2013-letter-to-edward-snowden-from-his-father-and-fathers-attorney/2013/07/02/e62ff87e-e350-11e2-bffd-37a36ddab820_story.html</a><span><font color="#888888"><br>
</font></span></div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Eric</div></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:01 PM, keith smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:klsmith2020@yahoo.com" target="_blank">klsmith2020@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top"><br>Just say no to FEEMA! If you say no to ObamaCare it will cost you some tax dollars (fine). If you say no to gun control you might go to jail. <br>
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Keith Smith<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 7/2/13, <a href="mailto:skreimey@gmail.com" target="_blank">skreimey@gmail.com</a> <i><<a href="mailto:skreimey@gmail.com" target="_blank">skreimey@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>From: <a href="mailto:skreimey@gmail.com" target="_blank">skreimey@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:skreimey@gmail.com" target="_blank">skreimey@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?<br>To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>><br>Date: Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 8:55 AM<br>
<br><div><span style="font-family:Arial">Writing my reps didn't accomplish much during TARP. Finding ways to not participate in or support policies you oppose in your daily life is probably the most effective form of activism.<br>
<br>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone<br><br><br><div>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "keith smith" <<a href="mailto:klsmith2020@yahoo.com" target="_blank">klsmith2020@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: "Ken" <<a href="mailto:parabellum7@yahoo.com" target="_blank">parabellum7@yahoo.com</a>>, "Main PLUG discussion list"
<<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>><br>Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?<br>Date: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 5:01 PM<br><br></div></span><br>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top"><br><br>I would vet them first. You can always call, email, or fax your us rep and us senators.<br><br>This looks like a Gov site. If it is I'd stay away. <br>
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Keith Smith<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 7/1/13, Ken <i><<a href="mailto:parabellum7@yahoo.com" target="_blank">parabellum7@yahoo.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
<br>From: Ken <<a href="mailto:parabellum7@yahoo.com" target="_blank">parabellum7@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity?<br>To: "<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>><br>
Date: Monday, July 1, 2013, 1:17 PM<br><br><div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div><span>Are these online petitions worth signing? Or is it just a way to get your email addy on more spam lists?</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:parabellum7@yahoo.com" target="_blank">parabellum7@yahoo.com</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 1, 2013 9:39 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Secret spying on your Internet activity?<br>
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<b>Ken</b> - There's a new petition taking off on Change.org, and we think you might be interested in signing it:
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<div>President Obama and the NSA have stated that widespread spying of Americans is not taking place and that the government is only requesting certain data from these companies. There is an easy way to show if this is true and that companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Twitter have taken the commendable step of requesting that the NSA allow them to publish the records of government data requests in their company transparency reports. </div>
<div><span>In part, Google's letter states:</span></div>
<div><i><span>Assertions in the press that our compliance with these requests gives the U.S. government unfettered access to our users’ data are simply untrue. However, government nondisclosure obligations regarding the number of FISA national security requests that Google receives, as well as the number of accounts covered by those requests, fuel that speculation.</span></i><br>
<i><br>We therefore ask you to help make it possible for Google to publish in our <a rel="nofollow" href="http://email.change.org/wf/click?upn=1mmeex-2FjZn-2FwcNsRwSa6Vb1BAjT-2Fy11qFaLyn60GQxdkFjG0h2LCmON6FueK8875hyVQ3-2F2RksE7Cv2-2B5N91TVNKfrMASCuSq3bk3Ud3YmM-3D_waxN-2FayPhGkz6DM9IZfKtgQuTrpSJsM0Hjbo7D7f9hnMAzY0CJjYky-2FGHGgHLrljIG6EN-2BTwh2f-2BXid6IYhdpgN7eW4Dx9h6RnnmfnTX56iVX-2BZX-2BDEWnffKuFlnpedWSURcmzxAQMRbTmQ-2BPWnDEJ59Ki2zUIhWLGQsI8bvwZYGNwYnRrW2bO9QaAs6G-2B20KY8kzYXXnJDr8y5h-2BStokSxoOXa4RvjWSE0avMHtXIaRHrEhVEzdMxIoG6WmPm3gp8biOvJ63f-2FjG-2Fkf-2BKudew-3D-3D" target="_blank">Transparency Report</a> aggregate numbers of national security requests, including FISA disclosures—in terms of both the number we receive and their scope. Google’s numbers would clearly show that our compliance with these requests falls far short of the claims being made. Google has nothing to hide. </i></div>
<div><span>The government allowed Google to start reporting the number of</span><span> </span>national security letters<span> </span><span>they received requesting data earlier this year, but they are still barred from releasing information about Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) orders. The requests for this data often comes in the form of secret court orders that not only force these companies to give data but also make it impossible for them to discuss even the basic details. That should change.</span></div>
<div><span>By allowing these companies to include this information in their transparency reports, the government will be giving American citizens at least some of the insight we deserve about how our daily activities like emails and Google searches are being tracked by the government. </span></div>
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