First Job

[eric oyen]

such ideas are often born of necessity. In my case, I need to be able to read man pages and they don't quite read right with a screen reader.

-eric

On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

> that is a great idea! I wish I could have such brilliant ideas.....
> 
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM, eric oyen <eric.oyen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I know what I should do… Recode all the man pages so that they are easier
>> to read in braille. right now, trying to read a man page in braille is an
>> exercise in frustration. the terminal window has that stupid bar at the
>> bottom that makes reading sequentially nearly impossible without having to
>> back scroll and then read more. from that point.
>> 
>> The biggest problem I am seeing right now is that a man page editor
>> included with most standard installs of Linux just isn't very accessible.
>> 
>> Anyway, thats my take on a project I should do. It will be something to do
>> while I am looking for work.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:
>> 
>>> An additional thought. Once you find your programming passion, look
>> around
>>> for an opensource project that interests you. Spend some time helping out
>>> on that project to hone your skills. There will be mentors there as well.
>>> You may have to try a couple of projects to find a community that you
>> like.
>>> With a little hands on experience on one or more projects, you will at
>> the
>>> very least, have some real world development challenges/solutions to talk
>>> about in an interview, something to put on your resume, and code your
>>> potential employer can look at.
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Since I started paying attention in about 1983, there has been an
>>>> overwhelming demand for developers.  However the other side of this
>> coin is
>>>> gaining entry.  For me finding that door was not easy.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing life has tough me is most employers are looking for skills
>> and a
>>>> track record, even for the entry level position.
>>>> 
>>>> My suggestion is first to determine what your passion about.  Then learn
>>>> it and do something on your own.  You might want to find a mentor who
>> has
>>>> experience in that area.  The mentor can guide you in what you will
>> need to
>>>> know to be entry level and what types of things you might do to show you
>>>> have at least entry level skills.
>>>> 
>>>> Once you have decent skills you may want to keep your day job and start
>>>> doing side projects until the demand for your side projects over takes
>> your
>>>> day job.  This may be counter indicated for trying to find a job.  I do
>> not
>>>> know this for a fact, however I hear some or most employers do not like
>>>> those who are entrepreneurial. However if you would like to be on your
>> won
>>>> this is a good plan.
>>>> 
>>>> If working for yourself is not for you, then you might start contacting
>>>> hiring managers and pitch yourself.  This will allow you to learn about
>> the
>>>> demand and what it takes to get one of those jobs.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Keith Smith
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Trent Shipley <trent_shipley at yahoo.com>
>>>> *To:* "plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org" <
>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>;
>>>> AzIPA <azipa at yahoogroups.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:48 PM
>>>> *Subject:* First Job
>>>> 
>>>> I would like a very entry level job in programming or in reporting.  I'm
>>>> not worried about the offshore competition.  The advertisements say that
>>>> after 5 years you make 60-80 K as a programmer.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a degree in mathematics from 1989, a Master of Science in
>>>> Information Management (from 2009), and more semesters than not I take a
>>>> computer course at the community college.  I recently finished two
>>>> semesters of C#.  I've take CS 205 in Java, but that was over 8 years
>> ago.
>>>> I just finished the first semester of Java.  I am now taking SQL Server.
>>>> 
>>>> I am  working on a Certificate of Completion in Programming at Rio
>> Salado
>>>> Community College.
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, the ads tend to ask for a 4 years Computer Science degree
>>>> and a year of experience (presumably as an intern or employed in your
>> field
>>>> while still a student.)
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I make in the low 40's with good benefits as an administrative
>>>> assistant, and it looks like entry level jobs don't come close.
>>>> 
>>>> Do I have a chance without leaving Phoenix?
>>>> 
>>>> 
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