visualization question

Sun May 8 08:53:53 MST 2011

As far as I know there are few features (mostly related to large enterprise deployments, as Bryan and Stephen pointed out) that are not present in the free-as-in-beer tools from VMWare.
I know bridging works in the Player.

On 05/08/2011 01:16 AM, Dan Lund wrote:
> so... does VMWare server do bridging?
> The free as in beer version on the vmware website that is?
> 
> I only ask because of vmware being brought up.  When the disclaimer ""only limited by the admin tools and custom hardware options" came about, I figured it'd be best to clarify :)
> 
> I personally like Parallels, but I've only used it on Mac.
> 
> --Dan
> 
> On May 8, 2011, at 12:57 AM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
> 
>> VMWare Player is free-as-in-beer, but it only *runs* the virtual machine.
>> You generally need some other tool to *create* the virtual machine, and for anything other than relatively simple use, the administrative controls in VMWare Player are very limited.
>> For more control, and the ability to create virtual machines most people end up purchasing VMWare Workstation, which is around $70 at retail last I checked.
>>
>> For advanced administrative options (particularly for complex requirements and/or large numbers of virtual machines on multiple servers), the VMWare enterprise tools are generally needed, and those get very costly.
>>
>> The primary advantage of VirtualBox is that it is both free-as-in-beer and free-as-in-freedom (the open source edition, virtualbox-ose), and the tools to manage it are included.
>> VirtualBox is great for running a few occasional VM's on a well-equipped home computer.
>>
>> For more advanced and complex environments (such as large corporate VM deployments), F/LOSS software is still playing a bit of catch-up with VMWare enterprise tools, but it's getting there.
>> For Hybrid (i.e. private/public) cloud deployments F/LOSS is actually way ahead of the proprietary alternatives, but that's also an area large enterprises are just starting to explore.
>>
>> On 05/08/2011 12:00 AM, Dan Lund wrote:
>>> Forgive me for being pedantic on this one, but... what do you mean by limited by the admin tools and custom hardware options?
>>> (I'm not being a butt about this, it just kinda folded into itself when you said that)
>>>
>>> --Dan
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Absolutely. It is limited only by the admin tools and custom hardware options.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/7/11, Dan Lund <situationalawareness at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Does the free version of vmware have bridging?
>>>>> Last I used vmware outside of ESXi and vSphere was like 2005.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Dan
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 7, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vmware is free and very effective. Just saying...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/7/11, Judd Pickell <pickell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> vbox does support bridging and is needed to solve the problem mentioned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:50 PM, James Mcphee <jmcphe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probably set up IP as NAT, or internal.  Does vbox do bridged IPs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:39 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Setup vbox on XP loaded CentOS 5.6 set IP different than host.  Can
>>>>>>>>> ping
>>>>>>>>> IP of vertual server from command line of self.  Cannot ping from
>>>>>>>>> outside.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any help appreciated!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Keith Smith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --- On *Sat, 5/7/11, Stephen <cryptworks at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Stephen <cryptworks at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: visualization question
>>>>>>>>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, May 7, 2011, 4:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you can use either virtualbox or vmware and it will work, just set up
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> networking so that it has an IP on your physical network for simple
>>>>>>>>> access.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:00 PM, keith smith
>>>>>>>>> <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=klsmith2020@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm running XP on a dell box and was wondering if I can install
>>>>>>>>> visualization on top of that, install CentOS, and have both running at
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same time with the XP being a client and the CentOS being a LAMP
>>>>>>>>> server.
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to access the docroot crom the XP box.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is this possible?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
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