Killing PLUG softly

[Joshua Zeidner]

  Interesting.  Your team has worn out 'racist' so now you're using
'xenophobe'.  I am pro-Immigration, LEGAL immigration.

  You like UCLA huh?  Do you like La Raza too?
http://orgs.law.ucla.edu/laraza/Pages/Default.aspx

<http://orgs.law.ucla.edu/laraza/Pages/Default.aspx>  -jmz




On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Matt Iavarone <matt.iavarone at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yup, no agenda there.  I'll take UCLAs research over a blog.
>
> Nice words too, 'harboring multi-generational culture'.  Like I said,
> xenophobe.
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >   here's a good place to start your research:
> >   http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research82b2
> >   the fact is that Mexico would rather have us support their poor.  Many
> > groups have generated reports that Illegal Aliens are beneficial.
>  Despite
> > this, the key word remains: ILLEGAL.  The situation has progressed so
> much
> > that we are actually harboring multi-generational culture that feels
> > entitled to American tax money.  The ideology that they use to support
> this
> > belief is particularly noxious and even some participants on this list
> > appear to be in support of them.
> >   -jmz
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Matt Iavarone <matt.iavarone at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The enormous financial burden like adding $1.5T to the GDP over 10
> >> years?
> >>  http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/07/local/la-me-immig7-2010jan07
> >>
> >> You are a xenophobe and a bigot from what I can gather.  So yes, that
> >> kind of content in your emails will certainly turn some people off.
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   Jim,  you do realize that by making a statement about filtering you
> >> > say
> >> > loud and clear that it's not about annoying emails, its about the
> >> > content in
> >> > them.  I don't need to say another word, you will be hearing more of
> >> > this
> >> > for the simple reason that there is absolutely no way that the people
> of
> >> > Arizona are going to continue to tolerate illegal aliens and the
> >> > enormous
> >> > financial burden they bring while we cut just about every service to
> >> > taxpaying citizens.  Similar sentiment is emerging in every state.
> >> >  Pretending it's not happening or pretending as if this is some
> radical
> >> > viewpoint isn't going to change those fundamental numbers.  Some have
> >> > become
> >> > very used to this issue behaving in a certain way, but we are *in a
> >> > completely different situation now*.  There is no more funny money and
> >> > no
> >> > more credit.
> >> >   So go ahead and pronounce me a heretic.  That will speak loudly to
> the
> >> > people who want to hear.  Im not interested in reaching people like
> you.
> >> >  Im
> >> > quite sure Im not the only one who puts zero value on your opinion.
> >> >   -jmz
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jim <farli at cox.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Since you obviously continue to not bother even reading, let alone
> >> >> understanding, any position other than your own, since you continue
> to
> >> >> disrespect everything that this mailing list is intended to, and
> since
> >> >> you
> >> >> obviously consider your own opinion supremely more important than
> >> >> anyone
> >> >> else, I am happy to exercize my right as a list member to never again
> >> >> have
> >> >> the opportunity to read any of your posts.  Good bye, Joshua.
> >> >>
> >> >> Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>  I didn't know that discussing economics was anathema for PLUG.
> >> >>>  Economics effects Linux and Linux developers.  These subjects are
> >> >>> bound to
> >> >>> come up, we live all live in Arizona.  Secondly, I didn't know that
> >> >>> you were
> >> >>> an official on these matters.  Trying to evoke political correctness
> >> >>> might
> >> >>> score you points in a university classroom, but not here and most
> >> >>> certainly
> >> >>> not with anyone I respect.  So keep telling everyone how utterly
> >> >>> intolerable
> >> >>> and blasphemous these very important points are.  Anyone with half a
> >> >>> brain
> >> >>> would take that as a clear signal to listen even closer.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>  Finally, anyone who is filtering or making a point of it is most
> >> >>> likely
> >> >>> an ignoramus who chooses to close his eyes rather than accept the
> >> >>> truth, or
> >> >>> even worse is invested in lies.  Those people are absolutely
> dangerous
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> serious situations and should be avoided in all situations.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>  -jmz
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jim <farli at cox.net
> >> >>> <mailto:farli at cox.net>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>    And the ideologues completely ignore the point - AGAIN!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>    There are important issues that need to be discussed, but the
> PLUG
> >> >>>    mailing list is NOT one of the places where those discussions
> >> >>>    should take place.  If you choose to ignore the principles that
> >> >>>    this mailing list adheres to, you will either drive people away
> or
> >> >>>    you will find yourself completely filtered out by a large
> majority
> >> >>>    of the people who read this list and expect to find good, honest
> >> >>>    technology discussions.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>    I guess ignoring everyone else is a hallmark of an ideologue.  If
> >> >>>    they yell louder, or in this case, keep repeating the same
> >> >>>    irrelevant point, everyone will just have to agree with them.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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> >> >>>
> >
>
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