Killing PLUG softly

[Matt Iavarone]

Yup, no agenda there.  I'll take UCLAs research over a blog.

Nice words too, 'harboring multi-generational culture'.  Like I said, xenophobe.

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   here's a good place to start your research:
>   http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research82b2
>   the fact is that Mexico would rather have us support their poor.  Many
> groups have generated reports that Illegal Aliens are beneficial.  Despite
> this, the key word remains: ILLEGAL.  The situation has progressed so much
> that we are actually harboring multi-generational culture that feels
> entitled to American tax money.  The ideology that they use to support this
> belief is particularly noxious and even some participants on this list
> appear to be in support of them.
>   -jmz
>
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Matt Iavarone <matt.iavarone at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> The enormous financial burden like adding $1.5T to the GDP over 10
>> years?
>>  http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/07/local/la-me-immig7-2010jan07
>>
>> You are a xenophobe and a bigot from what I can gather.  So yes, that
>> kind of content in your emails will certainly turn some people off.
>>
>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >   Jim,  you do realize that by making a statement about filtering you
>> > say
>> > loud and clear that it's not about annoying emails, its about the
>> > content in
>> > them.  I don't need to say another word, you will be hearing more of
>> > this
>> > for the simple reason that there is absolutely no way that the people of
>> > Arizona are going to continue to tolerate illegal aliens and the
>> > enormous
>> > financial burden they bring while we cut just about every service to
>> > taxpaying citizens.  Similar sentiment is emerging in every state.
>> >  Pretending it's not happening or pretending as if this is some radical
>> > viewpoint isn't going to change those fundamental numbers.  Some have
>> > become
>> > very used to this issue behaving in a certain way, but we are *in a
>> > completely different situation now*.  There is no more funny money and
>> > no
>> > more credit.
>> >   So go ahead and pronounce me a heretic.  That will speak loudly to the
>> > people who want to hear.  Im not interested in reaching people like you.
>> >  Im
>> > quite sure Im not the only one who puts zero value on your opinion.
>> >   -jmz
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jim <farli at cox.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Since you obviously continue to not bother even reading, let alone
>> >> understanding, any position other than your own, since you continue to
>> >> disrespect everything that this mailing list is intended to, and since
>> >> you
>> >> obviously consider your own opinion supremely more important than
>> >> anyone
>> >> else, I am happy to exercize my right as a list member to never again
>> >> have
>> >> the opportunity to read any of your posts.  Good bye, Joshua.
>> >>
>> >> Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>  I didn't know that discussing economics was anathema for PLUG.
>> >>>  Economics effects Linux and Linux developers.  These subjects are
>> >>> bound to
>> >>> come up, we live all live in Arizona.  Secondly, I didn't know that
>> >>> you were
>> >>> an official on these matters.  Trying to evoke political correctness
>> >>> might
>> >>> score you points in a university classroom, but not here and most
>> >>> certainly
>> >>> not with anyone I respect.  So keep telling everyone how utterly
>> >>> intolerable
>> >>> and blasphemous these very important points are.  Anyone with half a
>> >>> brain
>> >>> would take that as a clear signal to listen even closer.
>> >>>
>> >>>  Finally, anyone who is filtering or making a point of it is most
>> >>> likely
>> >>> an ignoramus who chooses to close his eyes rather than accept the
>> >>> truth, or
>> >>> even worse is invested in lies.  Those people are absolutely dangerous
>> >>> in
>> >>> serious situations and should be avoided in all situations.
>> >>>
>> >>>  -jmz
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jim <farli at cox.net
>> >>> <mailto:farli at cox.net>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>    And the ideologues completely ignore the point - AGAIN!
>> >>>
>> >>>    There are important issues that need to be discussed, but the PLUG
>> >>>    mailing list is NOT one of the places where those discussions
>> >>>    should take place.  If you choose to ignore the principles that
>> >>>    this mailing list adheres to, you will either drive people away or
>> >>>    you will find yourself completely filtered out by a large majority
>> >>>    of the people who read this list and expect to find good, honest
>> >>>    technology discussions.
>> >>>
>> >>>    I guess ignoring everyone else is a hallmark of an ideologue.  If
>> >>>    they yell louder, or in this case, keep repeating the same
>> >>>    irrelevant point, everyone will just have to agree with them.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
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