Killing PLUG softly

[Jim]

fine Matt - I will sit here and watch the PLUG mailing list degenerate 
into everything it was never intended to just because I dont have to 
read it!

Grow up!  Linux is based on some serious principles!  Isnt it time you 
exhibited some?

matt.nesteruk at gmail.com wrote:
> if you don't like what's being said don't read it, but don't censor your fellow plug members from debating.
> 
> -Matt
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim <farli at cox.net>
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:57:17 
> To: Main PLUG discussion list<plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Subject: Re: Killing PLUG softly
> 
> Well said, Alan.
> 
> I was there when PLUG reformed and watched it grow into a vibrant part 
> of the Linux community.  While we all have opinions about a myriad of 
> topics, the binding thread of this part of the Linux community, this 
> mailing list, is not, never was, and never should be a venue for 
> extended discussions of non-Linux-related topics.
> 
> When I saw a particular discussion devolve into lies and insulting 
> name-calling, I was ashamed!  Too bad those who perpetuated that 
> discussion would not or could not act sooner.
> 
> Here, we are all PLUG!  If you dont like being part of PLUG, if you 
> choose to degenerate one of the best parts of PLUG into vile ranting and 
> baseless accusations, spare the rest of us and take your pettiness 
> elsewhere.
> 
> ::steppiung off the soap box::
> 
> Alan Dayley wrote:
>> I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads.  I am happy
>> to see vibrant discussion.  I am unhappy to see personal attacks and
>> other silliness.  I'm unhappy to see it go on and on.
>>
>> This is enough.  It's just enough.
>>
>> I don't go to a email list or forum on topic A to be drown in
>> discussions about topic W.  That topic W may be important, the points
>> and counter-points offered in brilliance and courtesy doesn't matter.
>> If the venue is supposed to be about topic A, the majority of the
>> conversation should be about topic A.  Etiquette and respect for the
>> community around the chosen topic dictate that other topics should be
>> minimal.
>>
>> It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about what someone said about
>> some off-topic post.  Continuing to reply off-topic such that the main
>> purpose of the community is drowning into the background is
>> disrespectful.  Don't do it.  For example, it would be rude of me to
>> go to a meeting of alcoholics anonymous and use my turn to talk so
>> that I might espouse the benefits of a vegetarian diet.  Don't do it.
>>
>> - Using the delete key is not the answer because that only masks the
>> destruction of the group's purpose.  And only masks it for one person.
>>  Same with filters.
>> - Flagging as "OT" is helpful but when the OT posts dwarf the
>> purpose-oriented information, such a tag is nearly useless.
>> - Moderation is not the answer because that will suck volunteer's time
>> and smacks of "babysitter-ism"  Do we really need to be forced into
>> good manners?  Really?
>>
>> This is a Linux email list created by a Linux User Group for the
>> purposes of discussing Linux and subjects directly related to Linux.
>> Period.  Politics should only be discussed when it directly effects
>> Linux/OSS/FS use and promotion in some way.  To continue all this
>> discussion of boycotts, immigration and the like is killing the core
>> meaning of the group.
>>
>> Stop.  Please.
>>
>> Alan
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