Killing PLUG softly

Tue May 18 21:30:47 MST 2010

 I agree, the people who are complaining about 'Off Topic' just don't want
to hear what is being said.  It's a few emails- it's so disastrous?  These
topics are very much about Arizona, and they WILL effect us all.  Some
people just want to reify the discussion because thats a very effective way
to make it go away.  -jmz

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I get much good information from PLUG. I get good information from on-topic
> discussions and off-topic discussions. This is a community and we should
> talk about everything. Everything includes on and off topic things. We have
> the political debates once in a while but it always falls to the way side
> after things ccalm down. If you can't handle this community then find
> another one. I don't want to see you go but if you can't handle it.....
>
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Alan Dayley <alandd at consultpros.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Matt.
>>
>> I disagree.  plug-discuss is the single most important communication
>> channel for PLUG, bar none.  The meetings are very important but the
>> glue that holds the group together is this email list.  It is, in my
>> opinion, a weakness of the group that we have not created nor embraced
>> other communication channels.  So we are very dependent on this one
>> email list to be the binder that holds Phoenix Linux people together.
>>
>> What makes a group?  Communication, interaction, shared purpose, among
>> other things.  PLUG is not a legal entity with by-laws or money.
>> There is no marketing budget.  This list is it.
>>
>> OK, that sounds a bit dramatic, thinking to highly of PLUG's
>> importance.  But, take the this list away and the group will shrink to
>> nearly nothing, if not die.  I suppose that would not be a big
>> disaster in the grand scheme of the world or even just Phoenix.  But
>> it would be a shame.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:41 PM,  <matt.nesteruk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Allen,
>> >
>> > Its just email
>> >
>> > -Matt
>> > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Alan Dayley <alandd at consultpros.com>
>> > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:38:34
>> > To: Main PLUG discussion list<plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
>> > Subject: Killing PLUG softly
>> >
>> > I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads.  I am happy
>> > to see vibrant discussion.  I am unhappy to see personal attacks and
>> > other silliness.  I'm unhappy to see it go on and on.
>> >
>> > This is enough.  It's just enough.
>> >
>> > I don't go to a email list or forum on topic A to be drown in
>> > discussions about topic W.  That topic W may be important, the points
>> > and counter-points offered in brilliance and courtesy doesn't matter.
>> > If the venue is supposed to be about topic A, the majority of the
>> > conversation should be about topic A.  Etiquette and respect for the
>> > community around the chosen topic dictate that other topics should be
>> > minimal.
>> >
>> > It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about what someone said about
>> > some off-topic post.  Continuing to reply off-topic such that the main
>> > purpose of the community is drowning into the background is
>> > disrespectful.  Don't do it.  For example, it would be rude of me to
>> > go to a meeting of alcoholics anonymous and use my turn to talk so
>> > that I might espouse the benefits of a vegetarian diet.  Don't do it.
>> >
>> > - Using the delete key is not the answer because that only masks the
>> > destruction of the group's purpose.  And only masks it for one person.
>> >  Same with filters.
>> > - Flagging as "OT" is helpful but when the OT posts dwarf the
>> > purpose-oriented information, such a tag is nearly useless.
>> > - Moderation is not the answer because that will suck volunteer's time
>> > and smacks of "babysitter-ism"  Do we really need to be forced into
>> > good manners?  Really?
>> >
>> > This is a Linux email list created by a Linux User Group for the
>> > purposes of discussing Linux and subjects directly related to Linux.
>> > Period.  Politics should only be discussed when it directly effects
>> > Linux/OSS/FS use and promotion in some way.  To continue all this
>> > discussion of boycotts, immigration and the like is killing the core
>> > meaning of the group.
>> >
>> > Stop.  Please.
>> >
>> > Alan
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