Killing PLUG softly

[Michael Havens]

I get much good information from PLUG. I get good information from on-topic
discussions and off-topic discussions. This is a community and we should
talk about everything. Everything includes on and off topic things. We have
the political debates once in a while but it always falls to the way side
after things ccalm down. If you can't handle this community then find
another one. I don't want to see you go but if you can't handle it.....

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Alan Dayley <alandd at consultpros.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Matt.
>
> I disagree.  plug-discuss is the single most important communication
> channel for PLUG, bar none.  The meetings are very important but the
> glue that holds the group together is this email list.  It is, in my
> opinion, a weakness of the group that we have not created nor embraced
> other communication channels.  So we are very dependent on this one
> email list to be the binder that holds Phoenix Linux people together.
>
> What makes a group?  Communication, interaction, shared purpose, among
> other things.  PLUG is not a legal entity with by-laws or money.
> There is no marketing budget.  This list is it.
>
> OK, that sounds a bit dramatic, thinking to highly of PLUG's
> importance.  But, take the this list away and the group will shrink to
> nearly nothing, if not die.  I suppose that would not be a big
> disaster in the grand scheme of the world or even just Phoenix.  But
> it would be a shame.
>
> Alan
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:41 PM,  <matt.nesteruk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Allen,
> >
> > Its just email
> >
> > -Matt
> > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Dayley <alandd at consultpros.com>
> > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:38:34
> > To: Main PLUG discussion list<plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: Killing PLUG softly
> >
> > I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads.  I am happy
> > to see vibrant discussion.  I am unhappy to see personal attacks and
> > other silliness.  I'm unhappy to see it go on and on.
> >
> > This is enough.  It's just enough.
> >
> > I don't go to a email list or forum on topic A to be drown in
> > discussions about topic W.  That topic W may be important, the points
> > and counter-points offered in brilliance and courtesy doesn't matter.
> > If the venue is supposed to be about topic A, the majority of the
> > conversation should be about topic A.  Etiquette and respect for the
> > community around the chosen topic dictate that other topics should be
> > minimal.
> >
> > It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about what someone said about
> > some off-topic post.  Continuing to reply off-topic such that the main
> > purpose of the community is drowning into the background is
> > disrespectful.  Don't do it.  For example, it would be rude of me to
> > go to a meeting of alcoholics anonymous and use my turn to talk so
> > that I might espouse the benefits of a vegetarian diet.  Don't do it.
> >
> > - Using the delete key is not the answer because that only masks the
> > destruction of the group's purpose.  And only masks it for one person.
> >  Same with filters.
> > - Flagging as "OT" is helpful but when the OT posts dwarf the
> > purpose-oriented information, such a tag is nearly useless.
> > - Moderation is not the answer because that will suck volunteer's time
> > and smacks of "babysitter-ism"  Do we really need to be forced into
> > good manners?  Really?
> >
> > This is a Linux email list created by a Linux User Group for the
> > purposes of discussing Linux and subjects directly related to Linux.
> > Period.  Politics should only be discussed when it directly effects
> > Linux/OSS/FS use and promotion in some way.  To continue all this
> > discussion of boycotts, immigration and the like is killing the core
> > meaning of the group.
> >
> > Stop.  Please.
> >
> > Alan
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