Hackfest Security: Dubai Hackinthebox Convention Anyone?

[Joshua Zeidner]

  for those of you who followed this thread, there is a recent
development involving John Kyl (R-AZ).

  http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/02/action-alert-senator-kyl-under-pressure-for-hosting-fitna.html

  have a good weekend, jmz


On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Alex Dean <alex at crackpot.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Alex Dean <alex at crackpot.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You are confusing Muslim with Arab.
>>>
>>>  how is he confusing them?  -jmz
>>
>> The dress standards you cited are specific to UAE.  There are many
>> Muslim-majority countries, and Arab-majority countries, where this clothing
>> advice would not be appropriate.  Statements like "Heck of a night life they
>> must have, oh wait, their MUSLIM!!!!!" and "I'm saying that they way they
>> treat women. I will not be going." conflate Arab and Muslim, and infer the
>> most conservative social norms (which are most common in a place like Saudi
>> Arabia, but not elsewhere).
>
>  You're a thoughtful man, Alex.  But you didn't think about how these
> norms are common if not required all across the Muslim world, and even
> amongst European Muslims.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Wrhivp7eQ
>
>  And I think that Scott might have been joking.  Lets hope that he
> doesn't make any blasphemous cartoons.
>
>>
>> The link you posted makes it pretty clear that there are a variety of
>> standards within the UAE, nevermind in the wider Arab or Muslim worlds.  You
>> quoted a sentence specific to workplace attire, but there are other
>> statements like "Outside work, anything really goes, to a limit. In the
>> malls, many wear jeans and t-shirts or the like, and clubbing gear is as you
>> would expect elsewhere."  This matches the first-hand statements I've heard
>> from people traveling in Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc.
>> http://www.grapeshisha.com/UAE-National-clothing.html
>>
>> Hooray for me if I score popularity points.
>
>  Perhaps in your infinite wisdom, you may want to take a head count
> of who it is these views are popular with.
>
>> That's not my goal, and your
>> sarcasm is unnecessary.
>
>  In this country, we say what we want and we joke about what we want.
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders
>
>  -jmz
>
>
>
>>  I see an important difference here, and I said what
>> I wanted to say about it.  Questioning my motives by implying I have some
>> ulterior motive is silly.
>>
>> Craig's point is taken, though.  I can just delete this stuff, and I will.
>>  I don't have any regrets for pointing out some excessive generalization,
>> but I'm content to be done with it now.  Apologies to anyone who found my
>> comments uninteresting or off-base.
>>
>> alex
>>
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