Hackfest Security: Dubai Hackinthebox Convention Anyone?

[Joshua Zeidner]

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Alex Dean <alex at crackpot.org> wrote:
>
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
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>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Alex Dean <alex at crackpot.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> You are confusing Muslim with Arab.
>>
>>  how is he confusing them?  -jmz
>
> The dress standards you cited are specific to UAE.  There are many
> Muslim-majority countries, and Arab-majority countries, where this clothing
> advice would not be appropriate.  Statements like "Heck of a night life they
> must have, oh wait, their MUSLIM!!!!!" and "I'm saying that they way they
> treat women. I will not be going." conflate Arab and Muslim, and infer the
> most conservative social norms (which are most common in a place like Saudi
> Arabia, but not elsewhere).

  You're a thoughtful man, Alex.  But you didn't think about how these
norms are common if not required all across the Muslim world, and even
amongst European Muslims.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Wrhivp7eQ

  And I think that Scott might have been joking.  Lets hope that he
doesn't make any blasphemous cartoons.

>
> The link you posted makes it pretty clear that there are a variety of
> standards within the UAE, nevermind in the wider Arab or Muslim worlds.  You
> quoted a sentence specific to workplace attire, but there are other
> statements like "Outside work, anything really goes, to a limit. In the
> malls, many wear jeans and t-shirts or the like, and clubbing gear is as you
> would expect elsewhere."  This matches the first-hand statements I've heard
> from people traveling in Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc.
> http://www.grapeshisha.com/UAE-National-clothing.html
>
> Hooray for me if I score popularity points.

  Perhaps in your infinite wisdom, you may want to take a head count
of who it is these views are popular with.

> That's not my goal, and your
> sarcasm is unnecessary.

  In this country, we say what we want and we joke about what we want.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

  -jmz



>  I see an important difference here, and I said what
> I wanted to say about it.  Questioning my motives by implying I have some
> ulterior motive is silly.
>
> Craig's point is taken, though.  I can just delete this stuff, and I will.
>  I don't have any regrets for pointing out some excessive generalization,
> but I'm content to be done with it now.  Apologies to anyone who found my
> comments uninteresting or off-base.
>
> alex
>
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