Good Bye Gnome, Hello KDE, I hope

[David Huerta]

Eh, somehow I get the impression you're not quite ready for Debian yet. 
We'll work on making you a h4rdc0r3 Linux user in the mean time.

On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 14:17, Phil Mattison wrote:
> Debian has been suggested several times, so I'm tempted.
> Point me to a web site that will convince me its worth the effort to switch.
> --Phil M.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Wultsch <robert.wultsch@asu.edu>
> To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Good Bye Gnome, Hello KDE, I hope
> 
> 
> > Ever think about debian?
> >
> > Phil Mattison wrote:
> >
> > > This system is a PentiumIII 600MHz with 128MB RAM in a genuine Intel
> > > motherboard. No strange hardware, recent Netgear PCI LAN card, ordinary
> ATA
> > > CD-ROM drive and floppy, SIS-300 graphics chip, and that's it. Took me
> about
> > > a day and a half to install RH7.3, get samba running and setup Apache.
> Its
> > > fairly stable so long as I connect via SSH from a remote terminal or
> move
> > > files via samba (I edit on a Win98 box). I used to leave it on for weeks
> at
> > > a time. But I like to use the KDE email reader to check my server logs
> etc,
> > > and gradually I noticed a correlation between using that and system
> > > instability. Now I shut it down every night and minimize my KDE/Gnome
> usage,
> > > so the effort to figure out the problem is more than that of avoiding
> it. I
> > > have a RH8.0 box set I was going to upgrade to, but heard that RH major
> > > releases tend to be the least stable (what the !?!?!). I think the
> > > open-source community is like the Bizarro world of computing, to borrow
> from
> > > Sienfeld. Just the same, I love a free lunch. I guess I just have to
> chew
> > > carefully.
> > > --Phil M.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Alan Dayley <alandd@mindspring.com>
> > > To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:28 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Good Bye Gnome, Hello KDE, I hope
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Occam's Razor applies here.
> > >>
> > >>On a particular box Linux is unstable but Windows 98 is stable.  Why?
> > >>
> > >>Is it more probable that thousands of other installations of that same
> > >
> > > Linux distro version are also unstable and the users are lying about the
> > > stablility?
> > >
> > >>OR
> > >>
> > >>Is it more probable that the particular computer has odd or flakey
> > >
> > > hardware or some other issue that the particular Linux distro version
> does
> > > not handle well?
> > >
> > >>There is some flakey or poorly documented hardware, especially in some
> > >
> > > older PCs, that just don't run Linux correctly.  IMO Linux actually
> pushes
> > > the hardware harder than Win98 ever will.  Marginal chips or vendors
> that
> > > won't release required information make it hard to write good drivers
> for
> > > some hardware.
> > >
> > >>OTOH, it could be something else.  :^)
> > >>
> > >>Alan
> > >>
> > >>-------Original Message-------
> > >>From: Tom Achtenberg <TomA@fh.org>
> > >>Sent: 06/12/03 01:08 PM
> > >>To: "'plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us'"
> > >
> > > <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > >
> > >>Subject: RE: Good Bye Gnome, Hello KDE, I hope
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Phil,  I had the same problems with my RH 7.3 box.  It was much less
> > >
> > > stable
> > >
> > >>than my Windows 98 box!  I finally gave up.  I'm now trying Mandrake
> 9.1.
> > >>It took 4 days and several attempts to get the install completed without
> > >>errors.  (Found the disk 1 iso on the Hawaii mirror is bad too.)  I
> > >
> > > haven't
> > >
> > >>had much time to work with it yet, but it has been a disappointment too.
> > >>Mandrake update doesn't work to start with.  The whole task bar at the
> > >>bottom of the screen keeps disappearing too.  Only way to get it back is
> > >
> > > to log
> > >
> > >>off and log back on.  This same box would run for weeks on Win 98 with
> no
> > >>errors.  I have not even tried to connect to my file server or printers
> > >
> > > yet.
> > >
> > >> If I cannot do it without manually editing files I'll probably just put
> > >>Windows back on and forget about Linux for a desktop.
> > >>
> > >>
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