Linux bloating.

[Jim]

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Mandrake has the "pick an install type and install the world" options, but 
you can select and de-select individual packages if you have the time.

I think it is time for the distro manufacturers to do the base install 
automatically - there are some things you just cant do without - and then ask 
you what atddtional capabilities you want, letting you choose the packages 
from a list of options that they have available.  

I do think there is a place for the "desktop, connected" quick and dirty 
install selection for those newbies tho.  Why make life more traumatic for 
them at the start.  Hook em first and then show them the real world.

On Wednesday 13 February 2002 13:46, you wrote:
> Language is such a dangerous thing....
>
> The title was "Linux bloating".  This is complete heresy.  I can still
> install a working linux system on a floppy disk.  What the title should
> say is Linux Distros Getting Bloated.
>
> It used to be that the distro's had custom installers where you choose
> what you want, many of them are moving towards options of 'laptop',
> 'desktop', 'server' and install the WORLD on you.
>
> In Debian I just do a base install no frills no nothing, then apt-get
> items as I need them.  Seems to work pretty well.  Red Hat used to have
> custom (dont know if they still do), but if so use it and only select what
> you KNOW you use.
>
> -Derek
>
> On 13 Feb 2002, Carl
>
> Parrish wrote:
> > I've been able to get RH 7.2 to about 350MB and I hear there are ways to
> > get it smaller.
> >
> > Carl P
> >
> > On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 12:51, Kevin Brown wrote:
> > > Smallest I've gotten RH 7.2 in is about 700MB, then had to compile a
> > > kernel and QT from source and those added about 250MB.  I don't use KDE
> > > or Gnome (nice features, but too bloated for an old P150).  I use IceWM
> > > and pipe it across my network to the windows boxes thanks to Exceed.  I
> > > could get the install smaller, but then I wouldn't be able to compile
> > > source code on the box.
> > >
> > > Current count is about 280 rpms to get a functional RH Linux distro for
> > > me.
> > >
> > > > Sound more like your installs are bloated to me.  When you install
> > > > your system, only pick the stuff you will actually be using and you
> > > > will have an install that is only a couple to a few hundred megs.
> > > > I've built servers with mandrake that were under 100 megs, and with
> > > > mandrake 8.2 you can have an install that is much smaller than
> > > > before.
> > > >
> > > > Ditch all those LDAP server and news server and video games that
> > > > require 3D since you don't have the horse power to play them
> > > > anyway... etc...etc..
> > > >
> > > > > Noticed the last couple of installs, that at least
> > > > > Mandrake and RH 7.2 are getting bloated.  I had
> > > > > trouble fitting them to 2 gig drives.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know where a person could pick up around
> > > > > two or three 6 to 8 gig IDE hard drives cheap?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old p166 that won't recognize anything over
> > > > > around 8 gig.
> > > > >
> > > > > Off list would be fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > > Jtannenba@yahoo.com
> > >
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Jim

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