Meeting tomorrow
Jim
farli@wiredglobal.com
Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:30:25 -0700
click on the "Directions" link on http://plug.phoenix.az.us and you will
find a map to the Sequoia school where the meeting will be
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, you wrote:
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> Where is Tomorrow's meeting place?
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> >
> > 1. FUCK QWEST!!! (Jason)
> > 2. Opening for ISP Tech guy. (Don Harrop)
> > 3. RE: PLUG @ ITEC (Lucas Vogel)
> > 4. RE: F__K QWEST!!! (Trent Shipley)
> > 5. Re: FUCK QWEST!!! (Jonathan Furrer)
> > 6. Re: FUCK QWEST!!! (Don Harrop)
> > 7. screen blanking (Don Harrop)
> > 8. Re: F__K QWEST!!! (Bill Warner)
> > 9. Co-Location of our servers (John Mosier)
> > 10. Re: FUCK QWEST!!! (Mike Cantrell)
> > 11. Re: Co-Location of our servers (George Toft)
> > 12. Re: FUCK QWEST!!! (Nathan Saper)
> > 13. AdSubtract kinda thing for linux? (rustyc)
> > 14. re: F__K QWEST!!! (rustyc)
> > 15. Re: FUCK QWEST!!! (xirirx)
> > 16. Re: AdSubtract kinda thing for linux? (J.L.Francois)
> > 17. linux web cams (Mike Cantrell)
> > 18. Re: FUCK QWEST!!! (Jason)
> > 19. Re: F__K QWEST!!! (Jason)
> > 20. Re: AdSubtract kinda thing for linux? (Jason)
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:24:37 -0700
> > From: Jason <jkenner@mindspring.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: FUCK QWEST!!!
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Has anyone else had their phoneline RAPED recently by Qwest?
> >
> > These cocksuckers recently took away my busy signal, and replaced it
> > with a voice that demands I either hang up, or press a number to be
> > charged 75 cents so that they will redial the busy number
> > automatically.
> >
> > Does this strike anyone else as slightly insane? Most phones these
> > days, like modems, come with an automatic redial option. Of course,
> > after the cocksuckers at quest BREAK the existing phones by removing
> > the busy signal WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, they sort of have a monopoly on
> > redial.
> >
> > Fuckers!
> >
> > I called them up to demand they change it back, and they say the need
> > to speak to the person who is in charge of the phone bill. Funny
> > thing, the cons sure as fuck didnt need to speak to anyone when they
> > fucked the phoneline up to start with, did they?
> >
> > Ahhh... local decentralization cant come soon enough. I would like to
> > put a bullet thru the head of the asshole who came up with the idea to
> > replace the busy signal with advertizements for a useless service.
> >
> > --
> > jkenner @ mindspring . com__
> > I Support Linux: _> _ _ |_ _ _ _|
> > Working Together To <__(_||_)| )| `(_|(_)(_|
> > To Build A Better Future. | <s>
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:18:08 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Don Harrop <don@nis4u.com>
> > Reply-To: Don Harrop <don@nis4u.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Opening for ISP Tech guy.
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Hey guys. I'm leaving the ISP that I currently work for so there will be
> > an opening here. It's a smaller ISP and they don't have tons of money so
> > for all you guys out there who are looking for an administration position
> > but don't have tons of actual work experience this may be a good way to
> > get your foot in the door and collect some of that work experience. You
> > need to have a good working knowledge of Microsoft OS's as well as Linux
> > though. Router experience is a definite plus too. If anyone has any
> > interest please email me off the list. If possible leave your phone
> > number and good time to be contacted at as well.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 3
> > From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'"
> > <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: RE: PLUG @ ITEC
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:25:05 -0700
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > where is it at? A quick look at the website said something about Portland...
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: der.hans [mailto:PLUGd@LuftHans.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:46 AM
> > > To: quatsch
> > > Subject: PLUG @ ITEC
> > >
> > >
> > > moin, moin,
> > >
> > > ITEC is doing Linux and Broadband this year. As such they've
> > > offered PLUG
> > > a free booth at the show. We can also get tons of free
> > > tickets, but those
> > > are easy to get anyway :).
> > >
> > > Anyway, it's 10:00 to 16:00 the first two days of November
> > > (Wed and Thu)
> > > and they try to target IT doobies. Marty@VikingSystems.com
> > > has volunteered
> > > to help us organize a showing there.
> > >
> > > Please contact Marty to volunteer :). This is not something
> > > PLUG has to
> > > participate in, rather it is something we've been invited to
> > > and we can do
> > > so if we have members willing to volunteer their time to make
> > > it happen.
> > > Having an empty booth is not a good way to do this. Opnix launches the
> > > first night of the tradeshow or I'd help out.
> > >
> > > If we do well, we might be able to make it an annual thing,
> > > which would be
> > > great for PLUG publicity and also give us a chance to show
> > > the vendors who
> > > donate SWAG for our monthly meetings that we're out promoting
> > > Linux in the
> > > valley.
> > >
> > > Please let us know if you have any ideas aside from having
> > > people stand
> > > around a table laden with flyers to answer questions. We are
> > > going to try
> > > to get some SWAG from vendors, but that's not a done deal. The most
> > > important aspect is that we get PLUG members to commit to helping out.
> > >
> > > Great excuse to go and wander around collecting SWAG from other tables
> > > during breaks ;-).
> > >
> > > http://www.goITEC.com/
> > >
> > > ciao,
> > >
> > > der.hans
> > > --
> > > # der.hans@LuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> > > # It's up to the reader to make the book interesting.
> > > # An author has only the opportunity to make it
> > > uninteresting. - der.hans
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 4
> > From: "Trent Shipley" <tshipley@symbio-tech.com>
> > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: RE: F__K QWEST!!!
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:36:47 -0700
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Jason
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:25 PM
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: FUCK QWEST!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahhh... local decentralization cant come soon enough. I would like to
> > > put a bullet thru the head of the asshole who came up with the idea to
> > > replace the busy signal with advertizements for a useless service.
> >
> > I take it that you are not a shareholder then.
> >
> > I wouldn't hold my breath on that local de-monopolization of residential
> > lines.
> >
> > The AZ Corporation Commission lets QWEST charge would-be residential
> > dial-tone providers about $5 MORE per line than QWEST charges for basic
> > residential service.
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:39:42 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Jonathan Furrer <jonny@jofu.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: FUCK QWEST!!!
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > *blink* wow, ummm, thats, um, very vocal of you *grin*
> >
> > I agree with you though, it is rather annoying, the first time I noticed
> > it I got a little angry, though, not quite as angry as you *grin* The
> > thing to keep in mind here is that they are a telco, 'nuff said *grin*
> >
> > _______________
> > Jonathan Furrer
> > jonny@jofu.com
> > http://www.jofu.com/
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Jason wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Has anyone else had their phoneline RAPED recently by Qwest?
> > >
> > > These cocksuckers recently took away my busy signal, and replaced it
> > > with a voice that demands I either hang up, or press a number to be
> > > charged 75 cents so that they will redial the busy number
> > > automatically.
> > >
> > > Does this strike anyone else as slightly insane? Most phones these
> > > days, like modems, come with an automatic redial option. Of course,
> > > after the cocksuckers at quest BREAK the existing phones by removing
> > > the busy signal WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, they sort of have a monopoly on
> > > redial.
> > >
> > > Fuckers!
> > >
> > > I called them up to demand they change it back, and they say the need
> > > to speak to the person who is in charge of the phone bill. Funny
> > > thing, the cons sure as fuck didnt need to speak to anyone when they
> > > fucked the phoneline up to start with, did they?
> > >
> > > Ahhh... local decentralization cant come soon enough. I would like to
> > > put a bullet thru the head of the asshole who came up with the idea to
> > > replace the busy signal with advertizements for a useless service.
> > >
> > > --
> > > jkenner @ mindspring . com__
> > > I Support Linux: _> _ _ |_ _ _ _|
> > > Working Together To <__(_||_)| )| `(_|(_)(_|
> > > To Build A Better Future. | <s>
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
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> > >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:50:02 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Don Harrop <don@nis4u.com>
> > Reply-To: Don Harrop <don@nis4u.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: FUCK QWEST!!!
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Sombody is a little testy... :-)
> >
> > I don't particularly like that "feature" either.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Jason wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Has anyone else had their phoneline RAPED recently by Qwest?
> > >
> > > These cocksuckers recently took away my busy signal, and replaced it
> > > with a voice that demands I either hang up, or press a number to be
> > > charged 75 cents so that they will redial the busy number
> > > automatically.
> > >
> > > Does this strike anyone else as slightly insane? Most phones these
> > > days, like modems, come with an automatic redial option. Of course,
> > > after the cocksuckers at quest BREAK the existing phones by removing
> > > the busy signal WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, they sort of have a monopoly on
> > > redial.
> > >
> > > Fuckers!
> > >
> > > I called them up to demand they change it back, and they say the need
> > > to speak to the person who is in charge of the phone bill. Funny
> > > thing, the cons sure as fuck didnt need to speak to anyone when they
> > > fucked the phoneline up to start with, did they?
> > >
> > > Ahhh... local decentralization cant come soon enough. I would like to
> > > put a bullet thru the head of the asshole who came up with the idea to
> > > replace the busy signal with advertizements for a useless service.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:55:38 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Don Harrop <don@nis4u.com>
> > Reply-To: Don Harrop <don@nis4u.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: screen blanking
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Sorry... Forgot to mention that I had checked the BIOS settings and
> > disabled all the power save features already.. So it's not the BIOS
> > settings, not the setterm settings, not the X settings (I'm not even
> > running X).. Any other ideas? Like I said, it seems to do it only when
> > I'm logged in as root. I'll make sure of that for sure though and double
> > check all those settings before I post to the list about this again k?
> >
> > Don
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Subject: Re: F__K QWEST!!!
> > From: Bill Warner <wwarner@direct-alliance.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Date: 12 Oct 2000 05:51:46 +0700
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Um, why hold back? why don't you tell us how you _really_ feel
> > about this? It's OK if your upset we will understand.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > >
> > > Has anyone else had their phoneline RAPED recently by Qwest?
> > >
> > > These cocksuckers recently took away my busy signal, and replaced it
> > > with a voice that demands I either hang up, or press a number to be
> > > charged 75 cents so that they will redial the busy number
> > > automatically.
> > >
> > > Does this strike anyone else as slightly insane? Most phones these
> > > days, like modems, come with an automatic redial option. Of course,
> > > after the cocksuckers at quest BREAK the existing phones by removing
> > > the busy signal WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, they sort of have a monopoly on
> > > redial.
> > >
> > > Fuckers!
> > >
> > > I called them up to demand they change it back, and they say the need
> > > to speak to the person who is in charge of the phone bill. Funny
> > > thing, the cons sure as fuck didnt need to speak to anyone when they
> > > fucked the phoneline up to start with, did they?
> > >
> > > Ahhh... local decentralization cant come soon enough. I would like to
> > > put a bullet thru the head of the asshole who came up with the idea to
> > > replace the busy signal with advertizements for a useless service.
> > >
> > > --
> > > jkenner @ mindspring . com__
> > > I Support Linux: _> _ _ |_ _ _ _|
> > > Working Together To <__(_||_)| )| `(_|(_)(_|
> > > To Build A Better Future. | <s>
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
> > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> > >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Bill Warner
> > Direct Alliance Corp.
> > Unix/Linux Admin.
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:36:20 -0700
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > From: John Mosier <jmosier@excelco.com>
> > Subject: Co-Location of our servers
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > We need to move our Linux web server to a site where we
> > can share access to a higher bandwidth connection.
> >
> > The site that currently hosts our server has a T1, but we
> > need at least that much speed. We also want to put
> > our servers where they are secure, but yet accessible
> > to us. We now pay $300 a month, so I am looking to
> > stay under that.
> >
> > We do our own maintenance, so we do not need much
> > in the way of support services.
> >
> > John Mosier, Excelco Fax: (602) 992-2026 Voice: (602) 992-8076
> > http://www.swinfo.com http://www.excelco.com
> > 2990 E Northern Ave, Ste A-101, Phoenix, AZ 85028 (800) 553-6911
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 10
> > From: "Mike Cantrell" <yomahz@devnull.org>
> > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: Re: FUCK QWEST!!!
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:31:40 -0700
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > > These cocksuckers recently took away my busy signal, and replaced it
> > > with a voice that demands I either hang up, or press a number to be
> > > charged 75 cents so that they will redial the busy number
> > > automatically.
> >
> > So let me get this straight, you'd rather not hang up and listen to that
> > annoying buzz sound (assuming that they changed it back)? Very odd.
> >
> > I don't see any functionality loss. You can still hang up exactly as before
> > and use your redial button on your phone.
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 11
> > From: George Toft <george@georgetoft.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: Co-Location of our servers
> > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:45:45 GMT
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > John Mosier writes:
> >
> > > We need to move our Linux web server to a site where we
> > > can share access to a higher bandwidth connection.
> > >
> > > The site that currently hosts our server has a T1, but we
> > > need at least that much speed. We also want to put
> > > our servers where they are secure, but yet accessible
> > > to us. We now pay $300 a month, so I am looking to
> > > stay under that.
> > >
> > > We do our own maintenance, so we do not need much
> > > in the way of support services.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Mosier, Excelco Fax: (602) 992-2026 Voice: (602) 992-8076
> > > http://www.swinfo.com http://www.excelco.com
> > > 2990 E Northern Ave, Ste A-101, Phoenix, AZ 85028 (800) 553-6911
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
> > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Pardon my abruptness, but the going wholesale rate for bandwidth (at
> > least in my old job) is $670/mbps, so a T1 will run you about a Grand.
> > If you were getting a full T1 for $300, you were getting a good deal.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > George
> >
> > ---
> > Compared to Linux, working with the Windows desktop is like performing
> > gymnastics in a strait jacket.
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:34:59 -0700
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: FUCK QWEST!!!
> > From: Nathan Saper <natedog@well.com>
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
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> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 02:24:37PM -0700, Jason wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone else had their phoneline RAPED recently by Qwest?
> > >
> > > These cocksuckers recently took away my busy signal, and replaced it
> > > with a voice that demands I either hang up, or press a number to be
> > > charged 75 cents so that they will redial the busy number
> > > automatically.
> > >
> > > Does this strike anyone else as slightly insane? Most phones these
> > > days, like modems, come with an automatic redial option. Of course,
> > > after the cocksuckers at quest BREAK the existing phones by removing
> > > the busy signal WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, they sort of have a monopoly on
> > > redial.
> > >
> > > Fuckers!
> > >
> > > I called them up to demand they change it back, and they say the need
> > > to speak to the person who is in charge of the phone bill. Funny
> > > thing, the cons sure as fuck didnt need to speak to anyone when they
> > > fucked the phoneline up to start with, did they?
> > >
> > > Ahhh... local decentralization cant come soon enough. I would like to
> > > put a bullet thru the head of the asshole who came up with the idea to
> > > replace the busy signal with advertizements for a useless service.
> > >
> >
> > I would agree. This is seriously pissing me off. All it does is make
> > it harder for me to connect to my Fidonet boss. Is there anybody out
> > there who actually uses this "feature"?
> >
> > - --
> > Nathan Saper (natedog@well.com) | http://www.well.com/user/natedog/
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> >
> > Message: 13
> > From: rustyc <rustyc@descomp.com.carruth.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: AdSubtract kinda thing for linux?
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 100 15:57:45 -0700 (MST)
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Has anyone seen 'AdSubtract' (www.addsubtract.com).
> >
> > I want to put something like that on my firewall (linux, of course).
> >
> > There was noise a while back about killing adverts using the proxy,
> > but the ability to handle cookies as well (and allow certain ones
> > and kill others - now THAT's useful till we can get EVERYONE to stop
> > using the stinking things!)
> >
> > So, does anyone have one of those already?
> >
> > rusty
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 14
> > From: rustyc <rustyc@descomp.com.carruth.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: re: F__K QWEST!!!
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 100 15:55:26 -0700 (MST)
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > >
> > > Sombody is a little testy... :-)
> > >
> > > I don't particularly like that "feature" either.
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Jason wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > with a voice that demands I either hang up, or press a number to be
> >
> > Testy, yes.
> >
> > Well, how about we all who think its a really STUPID feature write a letter
> > to the Corp Commission saying that it violates the standard (someone care
> > to find the standard so we can reference it?) (yes, Toto, there IS a
> > standard for busy signals).
> >
> > You say that I can call and get them to fix it? Cool. I'll do that
> > also.
> >
> > rusty
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:02:40 -0700
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > From: xirirx <xirirx@vartek-corp.com>
> > Subject: Re: FUCK QWEST!!!
> > <39E4DA95.F66D04E4@mindspring.com>
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Being an EE and having just recently done a modem design..... I think what
> > they are doing is idiotic. Many designs count on a certain cadence
> > for detecting call progress. Eliminating the busy tone is just plain
> > stupid IMHO.
> >
> > James Shaker
> >
> > At 05:31 PM 10/11/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > These cocksuckers recently took away my busy signal, and replaced it
> > > > with a voice that demands I either hang up, or press a number to be
> > > > charged 75 cents so that they will redial the busy number
> > > > automatically.
> > >
> > >
> > >So let me get this straight, you'd rather not hang up and listen to that
> > >annoying buzz sound (assuming that they changed it back)? Very odd.
> > >
> > >I don't see any functionality loss. You can still hang up exactly as before
> > >and use your redial button on your phone.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >________________________________________________
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> > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
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> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:23:05 -0700
> > From: "J.L.Francois" <frenchie@magusnet.gilbert.az.us>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: AdSubtract kinda thing for linux?
> > Reply-To: jlf@magusnet.gilbert.az.us
> > Organization: MagusNet, Inc. Design * Develop * Integrate
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Package: junkbuster
> > Status: deinstall ok config-files
> > Priority: optional
> > Section: web
> > Installed-Size: 222
> > Maintainer: Paul Haggart <phaggart@debian.org>
> > Version: 2.0-4
> > Config-Version: 2.0-4
> > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.0.7u)
> > Suggests: www-browser
> > Conffiles:
> > /etc/junkbuster/config 446ec62ff0c680c5a29d2d0322f012d5
> > /etc/junkbuster/blockfile 8dfc415f674ec05b19a4bece89451212
> > /etc/junkbuster/cookiefile ab3863a1131a2828fb452c70ddf13bb5
> > /etc/junkbuster/forwardfile 341676058ac054c56df3f99c1f8b04c4
> > /etc/junkbuster/acl d2e74794cf3b2c8be177bc2ffc823008
> > /etc/junkbuster/trust cfb286433a380a0b5676d2cedb75ee11
> > /etc/init.d/junkbuster 431bf41a5bd33fe95d621160a64ef233
> > Description: The Internet Junkbuster!
> > Junkbuster is an instrumentable proxy that filters the HTTP stream between
> > web servers and browsers. It can prevent ads and other unwanted junk from
> > appearing in your web browser.
> >
> > It seems like on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 03:57:45PM -0700, rustyc scribbled:
> > Orig Msg> Has anyone seen 'AdSubtract' (www.addsubtract.com).
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> I want to put something like that on my firewall (linux, of course).
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> There was noise a while back about killing adverts using the proxy,
> > Orig Msg> but the ability to handle cookies as well (and allow certain ones
> > Orig Msg> and kill others - now THAT's useful till we can get EVERYONE to stop
> > Orig Msg> using the stinking things!)
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> So, does anyone have one of those already?
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> rusty
> >
> > Jean Francois - JLF Sends...
> > President & CEO - MagusNet, Inc., MagusNet.com, MagusNet.Gilbert.AZ.US
> > Director Of Managed Services - OpNIX,Inc., www.opnix.com
> > OpNIX - Simply Better Bandwidth
> > 602-770-JLF1 - Cellular, ICQ: 8137851
> > See My Certifications:
> > http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=1214021
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 17
> > From: "Mike Cantrell" <yomahz@devnull.org>
> > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: linux web cams
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:18:36 -0700
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 18
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:57:30 -0700
> > From: Jason <jkenner@mindspring.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: FUCK QWEST!!!
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Mike Cantrell wrote:
> > >
> > > > These cocksuckers recently took away my busy signal, and replaced it
> > > > with a voice that demands I either hang up, or press a number to be
> > > > charged 75 cents so that they will redial the busy number
> > > > automatically.
> > >
> > > So let me get this straight, you'd rather not hang up and listen to that
> > > annoying buzz sound (assuming that they changed it back)? Very odd.
> > >
> > > I don't see any functionality loss. You can still hang up exactly as before
> > > and use your redial button on your phone.
> >
> > How? The phone will be completely unable to determine if the phoneline
> > remains busy as it redials, and will instead assume a person has
> > answered, making the redial button useless for redialing, and reducing
> > its functionality to late 1980s levels, when "redial" simply spat
> > digits back rather than accomplishing something.
> >
> > --
> > jkenner @ mindspring . com__
> > I Support Linux: _> _ _ |_ _ _ _|
> > Working Together To <__(_||_)| )| `(_|(_)(_|
> > To Build A Better Future. | <s>
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 19
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:03:55 -0700
> > From: Jason <jkenner@mindspring.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: F__K QWEST!!!
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Trent Shipley wrote:
> > > > Ahhh... local decentralization cant come soon enough. I would like to
> > > > put a bullet thru the head of the asshole who came up with the idea to
> > > > replace the busy signal with advertizements for a useless service.
> > > I take it that you are not a shareholder then.
> >
> > Even if I was, my opinion about elimination of the busy tone would
> > remain very much the same as it is now.
> >
> > Although my views on decentralization might differ if I selling out to
> > dividends annually.
> >
> > Frankly, USWest/QWest's service sucks. It took them WEEKS to add a
> > second line!! Both General Telephone and Pacific Bell were capable of
> > accomplishing the same rudimentary task in under 24hrs guaranteed,
> > often within only a few hours.
> >
> > Human error, delays, and stupidity are all forgivable, even when in
> > such gross overabundance as the phoneco here has done. But what was
> > done to the busy signal was done ON PURPOSE, which sets this action
> > apart from being a simple inadequacy.
> >
> > Perhaps everyone who owns a piece of consumer electronics that relies
> > on busy signals should participate in a class-action lawsuit. Sad, but
> > unfortunately these are some of the only ways to get large companies
> > to pull their collective heads out of their asses...
> >
> > --
> > jkenner @ mindspring . com__
> > I Support Linux: _> _ _ |_ _ _ _|
> > Working Together To <__(_||_)| )| `(_|(_)(_|
> > To Build A Better Future. | <s>
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 20
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:07:14 -0700
> > From: Jason <jkenner@mindspring.com>
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: AdSubtract kinda thing for linux?
> > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > rustyc wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen 'AdSubtract' (www.addsubtract.com).
> > >
> > > I want to put something like that on my firewall (linux, of course).
> > >
> > > There was noise a while back about killing adverts using the proxy,
> > > but the ability to handle cookies as well (and allow certain ones
> > > and kill others - now THAT's useful till we can get EVERYONE to stop
> > > using the stinking things!)
> > >
> > > So, does anyone have one of those already?
> >
> > Internet Junkbuster.
> >
> > http://www.junkbusters.com/
> >
> > --
> > jkenner @ mindspring . com__
> > I Support Linux: _> _ _ |_ _ _ _|
> > Working Together To <__(_||_)| )| `(_|(_)(_|
> > To Build A Better Future. | <s>
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
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