I use a lot of proxmox servers and very happy with them most are for small
office use running a router, win server and samba file server and a win 10
for remote users to vpn into
most of the hardware is used dell 4-6th gen I-7 (cheap 4 cores 8 virtual)
with zfs raid 1 2 SSD's for redundancy and a spinner HDD for back up 32-64
gb ram and meet my needs
with ease. both at home and work.
I have used rack servers but they are hard to fit on a shelf, HOT and use a
lot of power and sound like a jet taking off. (I have a few to donate free)
my point is do not over think or spend money to build a home lab or
hardware that you will need to replace due to your use case.
I still have one on a duel core 8 gb ram 2 250GB spinning disks that I use
as a router and zoneminder camera DVR in a un air conditioned vacant office
it just chugs along in 118 heat
I have a twin to it that is all set up ready to run that I would be willing
donate also. Todd
On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 3:09 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> Be very careful with ESX. I know someone who bought a random server and
> ESX7 was not supported. It used to run on anything, now, not so much.
> Check the support matrix before you buy.
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 7/20/2023 1:12 PM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I appreciate this topic. I have been wondering for a while now if there
> is an affordable home server out there for EXSi and such. Is there any way
> for someone to come up with a few choices for people like me? Is there a
> low end, mid range, and high end home server for someone to list with parts
> or suggested parts?
>
> thanks,
> Greg
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 01:01:13 PM MST, Keith Smith via
> PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks!!
>
> On 2023-07-20 11:36, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > I personally wouldn't even go for a used server. They're generally
> > loud, and even when they aren't they use much more electricity than
> > what you would get from a consumer platform. There's really no benefit
> > unless you have room in your house to make a real server room with
> > racks and the electrical capacity to go along with it.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:
> >
> >> the downside for these processors is their mainboards are still very
> >> pricy to buy. much more than the CPU itself. you are almost better
> >> off looking for and buying a refurbished server which you can get
> >> for almost ludicrously inexpensive prices.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 1:56 PM Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss
> >> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> The CPU's cheap because it's old and no one wants them anymore --
> >> it's of the same generation as 6000 series intel processors (i.e.
> >> skylake). It also uses a server socket, so the only motherboards
> >> you're going to be able to find are server motherboards. Those are
> >> going to be expensive and/or have other quirks, such as requiring a
> >> vendor specific heatsink, or a vendor-specific power supply, or take
> >> 5 minutes to start up, etc.
> >>
> >> You'd be better off spending money on a last-gen cpu and
> >> motherboard, for instance here's a combination that is relatively
> >> cheap:
> >>
> >> $174 for an i5-12400, which according to cpubenchmark.net [1] is
> >> nearly 30% faster than the Xeon you linked (score of 19501 vs 15146,
> >> much faster single-core score as well):
> >>
> >>
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-12400-Desktop-Processor-Cache/dp/B09NMPD8V2/
> >>
> >> $139 for a compatible motherboard:
> >>
> >>
> > https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B760M-DS3H-AX-Motherboard/dp/B0BSP61QZC/
> >>
> >> I also wouldn't pay so much attention to the number of "threads" you
> >> think you'll need; you can run many VMs with a total number of
> >> virtual processors that is much more than what you actually have,
> >> and as long as you're not trying to go whole hog on every machine at
> >> the same time you'll be fine, and even if you do, you'll still be
> >> better off with a faster processor with a few fewer threads than an
> >> older slower cpu with more.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I was surfing the Inter Web when I happened upon a Xeon server CPU.
> >> It
> >>
> >> is marked at $32.49 at Newegg. It has 12 cores and 24 threads and
> >> has a
> >>
> >> good benchmark score.
> >>
> >>
> >
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+Silver+4116+%40+2.10GHz&id=3179
> >>
> >> https://www.newegg.com/p/274-000A-007K2?Description=Xeon
> >>
> >> In the future at some point I would like to build something with 20
> >> plus
> >>
> >> or minus cores and 40 threads more or less for Proxmox. This would
> >> be
> >>
> >> over kills because I only need 1 or 2 VMs active at one time...
> >> maybe 3
> >>
> >> in an extreme situation.
> >>
> >> This 12 core/24 thread CPU with 64Gb of Ram and a 1Tb SSD would
> >> really
> >>
> >> be more resources than I would ever need. Off the top of my head
> >> this
> >>
> >> means I might be able to build a decent Proxmox server for $500 -
> >> $600.
> >>
> >> I do not need fancy video except for one VM that might be running
> >> Win 10
> >>
> >> or 11... I assume a server grade CPU would handle Win 10 and 11?
> >>
> >> Am I on the right track?
> >>
> >> Thank You For Your Feedback!!
> >>
> >> Keith
> >>
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> > --
> >
> > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from
> > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1] http://cpubenchmark.net
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