Yeah given where these things are with put-one-word-after-another LLM's and
image generators, I don't see it as being too taxing to make an AI which
could generate passable static web sites for mom n' pop restaurants. Make
it run a 100 examples and the top dozen will rival human work. Playing the
numbers, you could probably get an AI to generate relatively sophisticated
one-page database-backed websites if you were willing to throw away enough
bad starts.
More to the point, programmers can't write code which does what LLMs and
Image Generators do. You need an AI.
The point of a business activity is to make or save money.
To make or save money you need a deliverable, product, or result ...
unfortunately.
As a means of producing results, software is evil.
Programmers are an evil means to evil software which is a means to a
regretable business relevant result.
Software is VERY expensive.
It is bug prone.
It requires expensive, annoying prima donna experts to make it work. They
aren't proper normal folk like mangers, sales people , marketers, HR, or
even accounting and finance. The best thing you can say about them is they
are too proud and stubborn to unionize.
So if you can replace a person witth a robot or software you always do it.
But if you can replace a person or _per se_ software with an AI, you always
do that.
On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 11:48 AM Andrew McRobb via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> I don't think AI can completely replace programmers. I see it as a tool.
> Nothing more (at least at this time). It's going to be extremely lacking in
> any context on what the job entails. A manager can't simply go in and type
> "please make me a good looking website that's going to replace Facebook. No
> bugs, please. ;)" There are simply way too many open ended questions!
> Technology stacks, APIs for example that AI will simply not have enough
> context for. A programmer still needs a lot of supervision of the AI to
> make sure the code is working as expected and that it's deployed correctly
> and that it's not doing any big whoopies like allowing SQL injection. Now
> as a programmer, I want to go in and ask it "Write me a simple GTK window
> with OpenGL using Rust". Sure, it would do a fantastic job giving me
> boilerplate code to work off from, but that's going to be the extent of it
> for a very long time until we get to the point all the code it can spit out
> is in assembly/binaries that "just simply work"
>
> Just my two 15 cents.
>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:48 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I think the scripters are vulnerable, however the compSci folks will be
>> the ones creating apps that create apps.
>>
>>
>> On 2023-06-06 09:40, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > I'm saying it doesn't write code. It doesn't have to.
>> >
>> > Business wants results with minimally acceptable quality. You build
>> > the AI. You train the AI. You get minimally acceptable results. You
>> > tinker with the AI if desired.
>> >
>> > But the AI does not deliver code. It delivers useful results within
>> > statistically acceptable tolerances.
>> >
>> > It doesn't make coders obsolete, it makes CODE obsolete. (Except for
>> > the AI experts' code to build, manage, and improve the AI
>> > )
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 6, 2023, 08:30 James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss
>> > <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Try copilot and see all the wonderful ways you've never thought of
>> >> to make terrible code even if it passes tests. Programming the AI
>> >> to write ok code is harder than writing the code right now.
>> >>
>> >> I'm all for the AI stuff. It's great as a convenient method to
>> >> google, etc. And codefill is... eh. If you have a reasonable
>> >> amount of code in your base already, it can do pretty good at
>> >> boilerplate. Probably helps out 1/4 of the time above standard IDE
>> >> library stuff. (totally scientific measurement of "eh, this").
>> >>
>> >> Here's the thing. In any system you have a certain amount of
>> >> complexity (entropy) that makes your thing different from the other
>> >> folk. Reducing boilerplate and the total amount of work to specify
>> >> the complexity is fair game, but if you add too much complexity to
>> >> the language to reduce complexity of typing it, that's where things
>> >> lose out. Perhaps AI can help with this, reduce the load on our
>> >> poor hooman brains to remember the various options.
>> >>
>> >> Where it will definitely have an effect is repeated tasks (making
>> >> another web frontend router) and information retrieval.
>> >>
>> >> Just my thoughts on it.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 8:07 AM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss
>> >> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We are worried about AI learning to do programming and taking over
>> >> programming jobs.
>> >>
>> >> Modern AI doesn't produce code, it makes writing a lot of code
>> >> unnecessary.
>> >>
>> >> It may not be that programmers become obsolete but that coding as we
>> >> know it now becomes obsolete.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 3:25 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss
>> >> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't get it...
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 5:03 AM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss
>> >> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Pointy haired manager to programmer: We are thinking of replacing
>> >> programming with AI.
>> >>
>> >> Programmer: Don't you mean you plan to replace programmers with AI.
>> >>
>> >> PHM: No, replace programming itself.
>> >>
>> >> P: How? Why?
>> >>
>> >> PHM: Well, the Big, Poorly Understood AI produces really good
>> >> results without actually writing code.
>> >>
>> >> P: Go on...
>> >>
>> >> PHM: Plus it's cheap and really, really prolific and efficient.
>> >>
>> >> P: Sure, but its quality is awful!!
>> >>
>> >> PHM: So is the quality of your software, all software, really.
>> >>
>> >> P. Yeah, but the AI's quality is MUCH worse!
>> >>
>> >> PHM: Yes, but the AI is so affordable, efficient, and prolific,
>> >> that the wrongful death lawsuits will be just a cost of doing
>> >> business, and we'll still come out ahead according to the actuaries.
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