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Author: Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
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Subject: Re: McDonald's unveils first automated location
On 2022-12-30 15:19, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Pick-a-part is a great place to find brains :)  It helps to know where
> the ECU is and how to remove it (automotive brain surgeon) otherwise,
> you'll be paying someone else to extract it and ship it to you and pay
> someone else at $175/hr to install it.  It rapidly becomes
> cost-prohibitive to maintain old cars.  A good example in the Nissan
> Xterra world is a metallurgical defect that exists in transmission
> coolers from 2005-2009.  Here we are in 2022 and the radiators are
> failing resulting in mixing antifreeze and ATF which destroys the
> transmission.  It costs more to rebuild the transmission than the
> vehicle is worth. 


I own a 2009 Xterra. You are correct that the trans oil cooler would
fail and allow coolant into the trans. The trans would fail.

I received a letter from a lawyer asking me to joint the class action
lawsuit maybe 8 years ago. I chose not to and replaced the radiator
myself.

The settlement was Nissan would replace the radiator and trans for $2500
only after the failure.

The same period of Nissans had a timing chain issue.

I like my Xterra and will take my chances with the timing chain. I am
told there defects were on earlier models. I assume the lawyers extended
the years covered to make sure they were "covering" everyone.

It was a bad settlement for the consumer while the lawyers made
millions.

> The same problem exists with EV's when the batteries near end-of-life -
> a replacement battery pack is more than what the car is worth.  > And
> the same will be true with these brain cars.
>
> Another example that directly pertains to computers (to keep it
> somewhat on-topic).  I needed to run some video editing software on my
> 9 year old Dell computer.  The video card was unsupported. So now my
> choice was buy a $1600 video card (remember the chip shortage of 2021?)
> for a 9 year old computer, or buy a prebuilt Alienware system that
> included the video card for $600 more.  I chose to refresh the whole
> system.


My network needs a refresh too... holding out for a while.

To keep it Linux, my Xterra gives rides to a PHP developer who uses
Linux and Open Source.

If I were a younger man I'd put an old school 350ci Chev in it and have
some fun.



>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 12/30/2022 7:48 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> I assume you do not take part in the automated checkout because it
>> reduces labor?
>>
>> I do not go that far.  I think we are using too much technology and
>> that is why I avoid the automated checkout.
>>
>> I'm a programmer and I do not like the tech shift we making.
>>
>> I do not like chips in cars. As the automakers increasingly put chips
>> in cars I see that automation becoming obsolete far sooner that the
>> car does.  Case in point, my wife drives a 2004 Toyota that only has
>> 110,000 miles on it.  This car will last for 10 or 20 more years. 
>> Think if that car had technology from 2004 - Yikes!!  I drive a 2009
>> that only has 65,000 miles on it.  It has a "brain" and I can make the
>> car accelerate better than the drive by wire. Both cars were purchased
>> new. I expect to drive my car until I die. What happens 10 years from
>> now if my car needs a new brain?  Will that OLD technology be
>> available.
>>
>> They are making cars that will last 300k miles and putting technology
>> in them that will be obsolete in 5 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2022-12-29 22:54, Jason Spatafore via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> I'm kinda with George here. I went to a Circle K today that had a
>>> self
>>> checkout. It took 3x as long to checkout. I let the attendant there
>>> know that I did not enjoy the experience and won't return.
>>>
>>> But, I will use Amazon and delivery services.
>>>
>>> So I think the labor market will move away from going out to collect
>>> your food to just having food delivered. The self checkouts will
>>> accelerate that movement toward retail closures and warehouse
>>> openings. So, the "unskilled" labor market will just shift from
>>> assembling a burger to boxing product.
>>>
>>> McDonald's has to be careful here. To quote an old McDonald's CFO...
>>>
>>> "We are not technically in the food business. We are in the real
>>> estate business. The only reason we sell 15-cent hamburgers is
>>> because
>>> they are the greatest producer of revenue, from which our tenants can
>>> pay us our rent."
>>>
>>> On 12/29/22 19:43, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll pass on this for the same reason I don't go to Sonic and I
>>>> won't use self-checkout at Albertson's/Walmart/Home Depot.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> George Toft
>>>>
>>>> On 12/28/2022 7:22 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thought you might find this interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/mcdonalds-unveils-first-automated-location-social-media-worried-will-cut-millions-jobs
>>>>>
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