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Author: JD Austin via PLUG-discuss
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CC: JD Austin
Subject: Re: Oracle's VirtualBox RANT
I was going to reply the same. Set the network to bridged instead of
nat, which the default.


On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 10:20 AM Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss <
> wrote:

> This sounds more like a network problem than a virtual box problem.
> When I set up my virtual machines I use bridged networking and let DHCP
> give out the address it should also tell the virtual machine the route to
> the internet.
>
> What IP address are you getting when you have access to the internet, and
> what address do you get when you're connected to the local network?
>
> This just sounds like a routing issue
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:42 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As you probably know I am struggling to configure Oracle's VirtualBox
>> for web development testing.
>>
>> VirtualBox is a mess. I cannot get it to work for PHP testing. It will
>> either work external so I can build the server OR I can make it visible
>> to my local net and I am not able to pull in any packages.
>>
>> My expectation was that I could download and install VB then create a
>> guest instance and configure my VM as I like, and in my case I want to
>> have it have an IP on my local private network, and be able to put that
>> IP in my browser and do some testing.
>>
>> VirtualBox in my opinion is what is wrong with technology. I've said it
>> before and I'll say it again, technology has become too difficult. Case
>> in point, last year I configured a full-stack host in my home office.
>> This was complete with BIND, Postfix, and Dovecot. With a little
>> studying Bind is doable. Postfix, and Dovecot on the other hand are
>> total enigmas. I probably need to spend 30 or 40 hours to understand
>> setting up and configuring Postfix, and Dovecot.
>>
>> I was able to get things to work, however I still do not know how.
>>
>> PHP is the same in my opinion. To be a PHP dev requires a large stack
>> of technologies. I'm starting to feel the barrier to entry is too high.
>> About 3 years ago I attended several AzPHP meetings and I was amazed to
>> discover that the top programmers actually were embracing this level of
>> complexity. There was one guy,who is accomplished, that actually looked
>> down on anyone who was not at his level. Yikes!!
>>
>> I'm talking about things like Composer and dependency injection. Anyone
>> know there is three ways to configure and use dependency injection. I
>> do not recall all 3 off the top of my head.
>>
>> CodeIgniter 1 and 2 used dependency injection in a way that hid the
>> complexities of dependency injection. It was so subtle that you don't
>> even know you are implementing dependency injection.
>>
>> I really liked CodeIgniter 1 and 2. It hid the complexities of web
>> development and was the closest thing I've seen in web development that
>> was rapid application development (RAD).
>>
>> One of the things I really liked about CodeIgniter was it's simplicity.
>> A middle school kid could learn enough about it in a weekend to start
>> building something.
>>
>> Back to VirtualBox... It is entirely too complicated and I'm not sure
>> why. Can anyone shed light on this?
>>
>> I read that everyone should learn how to program. Why? Programming
>> itself is simple... doing anything remotely useful requires you get down
>> into the mud of the complexities of building an application.
>>
>> I fell in love with programming at the UofA in 1983. I feel in love
>> with Linux in 1998 when a friend told me about it. Yes I'm old. And I've
>> seen a lot.
>>
>> What was VirtualBox created for and does it need to be so complex?
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>
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