BTW, I’m sure lots of people here remember when Apple announced the iOS SDK a few months after the first iPhone was released…
I also remember seeing tons of ads from companies looking to hire “iOS SDK programmers with 3-5 years of iOS experience”. I could never figure out if they were just trolling for Apple employees or they honestly thought there were people outside of Apple who had been in the beta programs that long and would take a pay-cut to get a full-time job doing iOS programming somewhere. But the demand for iOS programmers is still quite strong.
-David Schwartz
> On Aug 22, 2022, at 12:17 AM, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> Not sure what good a CS degree is these days. Seems like all anybody caress about today is “at least 3 years hands-on experience with xyz and abc” to get hired for stuff.
>
> I read an article today that was saying how Google has been working hard to replace Java in the Android ecosystem with Kotlin. I’m sure Java will be with us a long time, but learning Kotlin could open some doors in the not-too-distant future.
>
>
> Five years later, Google is still all-in on Kotlin
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/18/five-years-later-google-is-still-all-in-on-kotlin/ <https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=SJEG7TF39YLaAIMD0HhsfM-2BUnniUctgTPwX-2FlDxhYyeMTgN-2BdD3hvSAtgSC8-2BRfKCMc6cc2WxMRhF814RaHy3oXxHVzK1uM31jlPF7z0kpx1nMUGgIt8fUag0bximYHe52wY_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUqnuSCdeTFXZB9VQP8tD9lzJWs62MxiJYjy68EmRCr74SD75f9JIV1Tvr-2FdK32-2F7GODHaKbFnZzPgryAof4Qy5rm-2Fb413pY-2BCrEPrleX7oa0T1uLeJXYkL945F62o84PbFqBg9yxe5l8VslRGmKTjyQ-3D>
>
> It’s been just over five years since Google first announced that it would make Kotlin, the
> statically typed language for the Java Virtual Machine first developed by JetBrains, a first-
> class language for writing Android apps at Google I/O 2017. Since then, Google took this a
> step further by making Kotlin its preferred language for writing Android apps in 2019 — and
> while plenty of developers still use Java, Kotlin is quickly becoming the default way to build
> apps for Google’s mobile operating system.
>
>
> I suspect that when Google announces the first version of Android written in Kotlin, it will open a huge demand for Kotlin programmers with even 6 months of experience with it.
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 21, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
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>> On 2022-08-19 10:41, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>> David,
>>>> You provide a bunch to think about.
>>>> What does this have to do with Linux? We are on a Linux list and I
>>>> would guess most are not going to retool.
>>>> I'm 66 and do not think I will retool, so I am looking at some simple
>>>> things that might make my life better while we enter a period of chaos.
>>>> I am a PHP programmer and I know less about Linux than I would like to.
>>>> For me the opportunities have to be in the realm of LAMP/LEMP.
>>>> PHP is so ingrained that it will be around for decades. Eventually it
>>>> will go the way of COBOL... AND COBOL is still around. I think a person
>>>> could make a career being a COBOL developer.
>>>> So I think the question is what are the opportunities for the Linux
>>>> admins and the associated technologies?
>>> What I'm personally doing is developing a Troubleshooters.Com <https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=BhNbhdbDS7xKBhDf7NQZqchNygmyB1zvx5Tv7LBq0VbOEz4w1v0JqMJ3zzedGfoqnHka_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUnWX3xWLJ-2BNqYG6T-2B8N93M88Pr7ebIlVoylZt-2FGe30NdjNsGHG54qA-2B2cMPBb9xuP1Nehj8oKHqCJyv0VUYIRJ-2FjuC8z6XnH0koiM2GN4fYM1QEoihv4H55gB8HbENiVO3soy593HLsUcdSij85MdPc-3D> HTML/CSS
>>> subsite in
>>> preparation to teach online HTML/CSS classes to people who:
>>> 1) Understand that HTML, DOM and CSS are the basis of web
>>> presentation, regardless
>>> of higher layer tools used,
>>> 2) Want a teacher instead of just taking a programmed online course,
>>> 3) Don't want to pay the price of coming to a face to face class.
>>
>> Very nice!! Based on what I am reading and hearing I think there will be continued demand for this type of learning. I think the Universities will dry up. It might take a while. Looks like a year at ASU is almost $13,000 https://admission.asu.edu/aid/resident-first-year <https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=SJEG7TF39YLaAIMD0HhsfBtqHyAW5P9502IxPgTLptwZ4M-2BvUvH4NfFa-2BHBF3yE4ENXVsXRFrwmmYx4XfSYcuw-3D-3DVH5F_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUqve6Mn2lIfr2de3-2B4tqDGIk9HH20O7FaDTHnQZa3lHZbJvSOxkxvQja7QIOjkZnlN8NG9Kz4aXOCF4ImHK847s8yPrhkWetOML6xQ8AYd5i9rvuuV2LwOu2bhLDrvcuEKeSe8P4Upl-2Fe1Ij06495SQ-3D> Who can afford that?
>>
>> I first looked at college in 1978 and that year it was $275 a semester at the University of Arizona. I ended up going to junior college and it was $100 my first semester the spring of 1979.
>>
>> By 1990 UofA was just over $1000 a semester. 4 times what it was just 12 years prior.
>>
>> When I was first exposed to programming in 1983 a bachelor's degree was required to be a programmer. I think that requirement is long gone. I think employers are looking for just skills.
>>
>> I think self study is big today. And if the economy does crash I'm thinking that the next generation of programmers will be self thought and might just be more inclined to be using Linux.
>>
>> If what I am hearing and reading is that the economy is going to crash and inflation is going to stay at 10% for the next 10 years, I think the world will look and feel a lot different 10 or 12 years from now.
>>
>> So doing what you are doing, Steve, should pay dividends for years.
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