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> On Nov 1, 2020, at 11:12 PM, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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> On the developer side, it gets rid of a lot of the old cruft from the 20+ years of development and compatibility that's required of such an old project. From what I can tell, the concept of what's going on underneath the covers is also much simpler.
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> On the user end, it solves some long-standing issues that are basically impossible to fix due to the architecture of X11. A couple few the top of my head is 1. Only the focused application and authorized accessibility tools can grab keyboard input (anything could grab Keyboard input in X11); 2. Tear-free rendering with built-in double/tripple buffering; 3. Better security around who/what can connect to the server (i.e., other users cannot open a window in your session without explicit authorization, not even root).
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> From what I can tell, Wayland also uses less memory than Xorg, though that doesn't matter much with the many GB machines we have today.
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> Unless modified by the distribution (i.e. Ubuntu), Wayland has been the default for a GNOME environment for at least a couple years now. I personally haven't had a single issue that would be attributed to Wayland. I'm even able to play games from GOG/Steam, both native and via Proton just fine under wayland.
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>> On Sun, 2020-11-01 at 22:40 -0700, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> Why are people pushing Wayland? X works. Why should anyone use Wayland? What does it do that X doesn't do?
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>> On 11/1/20 7:20 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> Since my last (arch) system update, I can't seem to find any screenshot tools that work anymore in kde. Wondering if anyone has any recommendations what works for them lately
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>> I've used spectacle from kde for like a decade now as one of my favorite tools, and just as of a few months ago, it's gone to hell for me, and just crashes if I try to take a screenshot of a selected area. Trying shutter recently from gnome, it sort of works at times, other times tends to crash when trying to take a screenshot of a selected area as well. I've tried some others I've already forgotten the names of a while back, nothing seems to work anymore.
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>> I somewhat blame stupid wayland shenanigans in change, I'm not even using wayland, but all the major kde news is about wayland, that seems to just be bringing the whole thing down around their ankles. Whatever kde is doing lately is just bringing it back 10 years in stability.
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>> It's so hard to find good software these days.
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>> -mb
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