I can't say I much endorse newegg any more since they sold out to that
Chinese conglomerate org. It's just not the newegg of old anymore. The
generic things like cables, adapters, general parts stuff for pc's became
crap, and now is like shopping alibaba, just inundated with crap of dubious
quality and 50 versions of each with random vendor names. I'd rather go
play slot machines after enough experiences with crappy parts from them.
Their sales and marketing became rather worthless and almost creepy as well
that I unsubscribed eventually and forgot about them.
As much as I tend to dislike amazon as a company, I still get most
everything there these days as it's all the same crap, and less annoying
than newegg. There or ebay. About an equal chance of getting something
counterfeit and/or dubious quality anyways these days.
-mb
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:14 AM Stephen Partington <
cryptworks@gmail.com>
wrote:
> This is why I suggest the barebo es systems from Amazon and Newegg.
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 7:58 AM Michael Butash <michael@butash.net> wrote:
>
>> Long story short, ignore the fact it ships with windoze, format the disk,
>> and just install a linux over it. Almost not worth the hassle or added
>> expense to find/get a "factory linux" system.
>>
>> TL:DR version:
>>
>> Unless you buy a pc specifically from System76 or another linux-friendly
>> laptop, they're always going to have windoze on them. This goes back to
>> the 90's when Microsith forced universally all oem's to include windoze, as
>> any barebones pc sold really meant a pirated copy of windoze going on it.
>> There really wasn't a viable os alternative then (no, warp and beos didn't
>> count), so sort of made sense, but for me just meant I started building my
>> own pc then. Now it's just grating with linux mature and totally viable.
>>
>> That said, oem windoze is almost marginal cost in a pc (oem's usually pay
>> ~$20 or less), and while annoying, buying a pc with windoze on and paying
>> the M$ tax is a "who cares" other than to make a point. You'll pay more to
>> get someone NOT to sell you windoze on a pc. Also, I still find to do
>> things like upgrade ssd firmware and some other odd hardware (thunderbolt
>> things, docks, etc) still just plain need windoze for firmware loading. I
>> kept my dell xps15 dual boot for this reason, every 6mo-1yr I'll boot over
>> to windoze, upgrade everything, and go back to forgetting it's there.
>>
>> Even System76 just mostly rebrands/skins ubuntu as their PopOS, and
>> otherwise don't think it's doing anything special with drivers or
>> firmware. If the stock kernel and drivers don't work, I doubt they're
>> doing much to fix outside mainline linux releases. Their systems were
>> fairly pricey last I looked, vs. I always buy refurb'd dells at significant
>> deals via dell outlet, and stacking on a 30-40% off coupon with it as they
>> pop up around holidays. I'm cheap.
>>
>> Dell also puts out linux-based systems infrequently, but might find these
>> at a good price with coupons occasionally in their XPS "Developer editions"
>> with Ubuntu. Only issue I ever run into with linux on dell hardware is
>> when they have an nvidia+intel hybrid graphics - I can never make these
>> work reliably, my current xps15 9560 being a good example of this, but
>> otherwise with intel only loaded (nvidia drivers removed) works fine (minus
>> gaming).
>>
>> HTH!
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:17 PM Jim <azanorak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking to buy a desktop pc but I don't want one that has windows
>>> already on it since I won't use it. Can someone suggest somewhere
>>> online that sells them? thanks
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