On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 6:33 PM Eric Oyen <
eric.oyen@icloud.com> wrote:
> So, how to solve the breakages in KDE? Well, it seems to me that one
> should start with the individual apps and then work on the DM once the apps
> are working properly. Now, I am not a coder (except of firewall scripts for
> OpenBSD PF and the old IPTables system), so I am not entirely sure how much
> work would have to go into this. Also, you figure after 15 years of being
> bugged, some developer somewhere would have finally gotten tired of it and
> either quit (which has happened) or actually fix some of the issues (so
> far, it doesn’t appear so).
>
I'd love some ideas from someone in better favour than some random person
quipping about his 3-6 displays misbehaving every time they hotplug in and
rearranges every frigging window open. After nagging in their bug lists to
no avail, I eventually just had to move on to keep functional. Now I just
read about "oh, we added a new widget!", wayland, emojis (oh my!), or some
other pedantic crap feature while the core displays and other functions
fail to function properly! Some sense of priorities would be good, screw
emoji support.
Now, I am no fan of unity (or gnome for that matter), but that is the
> desktop that works with ORCA and some of the secondary screen readers out
> there. Also, there are some good apps inside the GTK tree that I have found
> useful over the years (like GEDIT) and Apple has a clone of their own
> called TextEdit (your basic word processor). Both are in different
> ecologies but operate nearly the same in form and function. Besides, I like
> simple. :)
>
New gedit went to hell, mostly I use pluma from mate, which is a better,
more original+improvements from old gedit. The new gedit pains me to use.
In any case, I would like to be able to use other desktop environments just
> in case I end up working in a place that uses them.
>
I really wish kde had their arse together, it's got the right things for
good integration, but it swings and misses in so many ways. Amarok is a
good example of this, I always tried it, and found it simply difficult and
buggy to use, so I had to use rhythmbox or banshee as an alt to it. Same
with kmail, krdc, and finally just the entire DE vs. having to reboot from
destabilization of the os within 3-4 days. Cinnamon gets a bit wonky, but
I still go at least months without reboots with it. If only I could get
that out of KDE...
Screen locking is yet another small but huge problem for me too on
any/every platform, distro or de. The DE seems to randomly decide when it
actually wants to lock or not, and this is another issue between not only
kde, but cinnamon and others. I consider it security issue when my desktop
decides not to lock after the predestined 10min or whatever, but this has
been status quo among linux desktops for 15 years no one wants to fix. Do
I bug xorg, $de, or some app/hardware tickling the system to keep from
going idle? Any graphic gl rendering instantly nullifies screen lock on
linux. on nvidia, radeon, or intel improperly, so really don't even know
who to bug.
I work in some not always friendly/forgiving environments and this really
annoys me, and have to religiously lock my own pc, drilled in after 15
years of fail in linux desktops to properly lock. I don't think I've ever
seen this in windoze, a small win...
-Eric
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Michael Butash <michael@butash.net> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say *all* they need to do, considering all the issues I've seen
> trying to use it over the past decade and a half.
>
> For me, their multi-monitor support is still dysfunctional since the 4.0
> days when I began using 3-6 displays. I use kde when I can on my laptop,
> but even when using an external laptop there, or my 3 displays on my
> desktop, it's still always really weird in a number of ways. Their kwin
> compositor really sucks at ultra high resolutions too, totally destabilizes
> the os over time. High res as in 3x 4k displays at 11520x2160, which is
> quickly becoming the new norm in displays, it can't seem to keep up and not
> leak itself to death.
>
> I've been posting and arguing with the kde folk on multi-monitor issues
> for years <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356225> about some of the
> more annoying behaviors, and I'm not alone as the thread is quite long, and
> there are many others. I end up using cinnamon as a result now mostly.
> KDE4 they marked the worst issues multi-mon issues (refusing to save
> display arrangement settings!) as "won't fix", and still haven't made
> things much better in 5. Here's hope for future versions, maybe some new
> blood will give a damn to fix persistent core display issues and quit
> worrying about pedantic visuals.
>
> My laptop is really odd - I can't even start kde on it since upgrading
> 16.04 to 18.04 ubuntu. Not taking the time to debug it, but using default
> ubuntu gnome, which I hate almost as much as Unity until I can fix it.
>
> I'd love to hear from someone actually using kmail too. I've tried at
> least a half-dozen times over the years to use it in place of thunderbird,
> but it never fails to crap all over itself in broken ways, fetching,
> indexing, and in general just crashing with different imap services. I
> finally just got used to gmail in chrome with some extensions.
>
> KRDC, a KDE app for windoze rdp and vnc client, still after at least 6-8
> years will randomly change the entire key mapping during use. You don't
> really realize what is going on until windows change, things start closing,
> and random selections occur as you type. Then I realize I need to shut it
> down and restart the rdp session because it went stupid again. I assume
> I'm the only person still using it.
>
> One thing I absolutely love that I still run under Cinnamon is KDE Connect
> for phone integration with an android client. Mostly because when I get a
> call, it mutes my music automatically, and can control my pc remotely.
> About the only reminder of KDE left I use that doesn't annoy me.
>
> KDE and derivative apps are great in concept, but otherwise leaves much to
> be desired for long-term use with these nagging persistent issues that
> never get fixed, which using it off and on again over 15 years or so I
> think I can say with experience. So much potential squandered imho.
>
> -mb
>
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 11:00 PM Eric Oyen <eric.oyen@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> Now, all they need to do to make KDE perfect: add screen reader
>> accessibility as an API. This way, ORCA could be used.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 14, 2018, at 10:09 PM, der.hans <PLUGd@LuftHans.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > moin moin,
>> >
>> > today is the 22nd anniversary of the start of KDE.
>> >
>> > https://www.kde.org/announcements/announcement.php
>> >
>> > KDE has a timeline of important milestones starting with the creation of
>> > UNIX.
>> >
>> > https://timeline.kde.org/
>> >
>> > ciao,
>> >
>> > der.hans
>> > --
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