I'm going to run the gl test and run audio at the same time. That should
> i'm trying to recreate the crash to make sure I didn't copy and paste the
> stress command with a blank space in it (which would cause the command to
> execute).
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think glmark2 crashed it just crashed it after about 2 hours
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> final reading:
>>> $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took
>>> the side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new
>>> reading since doing that about 3 minutes ago is:
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +72.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +71.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +70.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +70.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +72.5°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>> Not bad.... about a 2C drop
>>>
>>> Now we crash it!
>>> See you on the other side!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is
>>>>> pretty coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good.
>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> want me to crash it now?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean some
>>>>>> cooling wouldn't improve things.
>>>>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and tried
>>>>>> to reproduce the crash yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second intervals
>>>>>>> (if it helps):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just
>>>>>>>> before a crash
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not
>>>>>>>>> feasible!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low
>>>>>>>>>>>> it will just be annoying.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't yet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t
>>>>>>>>>>>> emperature
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address
>>>>>>>>>>>> that with fans and ventilation, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening up your case and point a fan in there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress. that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dt) but a power failure outage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmike1@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more than 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1800s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and temperature limits. You may have it set with a maximum temperature so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes with no crashes whereas before I had just started the computer and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ran dt for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --timeout 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me but there it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of your computer... or it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington <cryptworks@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it should have no effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing slowness during render cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it runs a few minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get a gpu.... correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty <Rusty.Carruth@smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firefox taking all of memory. (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what’s, well, on top ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 510-624-5391 <(510)%20624-5391> | Fax:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 480-926-5579 <(480)%20926-5579> | 1325
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> N. Fiesta Blvd. Suite 101 Gilbert, Az. 85233
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of something with a memory leak, or desktop graphic compositing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degrading over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it from another computer and check htop (or just top all you have), see if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can tell (including windoze), they're all just a varying degree of broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you push them, or just have a slow (or buggy) video card. Depending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your desktop environment of choice, try turning down graphics options,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or disabling the compositor all together to see if it helps stability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had instructions on 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen
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