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surprised these days. Mine did ship with a 2tb drive that wasn't
showing up for me, but I put it in the last chassis slot, that
might not even be cabled. The ssd i put in it's place though
always seemed present.
working. Prior to doing so, I flashed it with with a current
bios, and loaded up the netboot cd to try. No stupidity this time
with it, and it passed on without dying at the cd check like the
server cd did, same internal cd drive and media, burn method
(k3b), etc. Nothing notable really, but I did just do a quick
install since it was only a temp drive anyways was kept basic and
got kde up on it. Finally.
and or desktop iso as I'm debating some experiments with zfs
booting. Holding out for some samsung 960 nvme love coming out
next week to experiment on though.
issues with the hardware once a cd would finally boot. I sitll
don't think it was my hardware, but I'll try some more with same
media later.
like Shadows of Moridor that would get very odd glitches with my
amd. Now I can also run a bunch more vm appliances at the same
time as I often need to these days for labs, my current with 32gb
just didn't cut it for everything anymore.
tips everyone!
-mb
Partington wrote:
has a Marvell based chips etc providing some extra sata3 ports.
If I have a SATA device plugged into that controller I gets some
pretty interesting errors on boot preventing the installer from
even loading. In this case my blue ray drive was connected so I
simply unplugged that. This was affecting me on Ubuntu 16.04 and
16.10.
Partington" <cryptworks@gmail.com>
wrote:
main machine with LVM-cache UEFI and my shiny new GTX
1070 with KDE Plasma 5.7.5
broke my LVM about 4 times trying to remember how ti set
up LVM cache...
Brian Cluff <brian@snaptek.com>
wrote:
was making me wait 5 minutes even though I
actually already had a connection... lame.
11/08/2016 09:54 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:
But if you are installing something that
does not have an always connected network
you might want to adjust the wait timeout
for networking sooner than later. 5m boot
delays are weird and annoying.
at 8:59 AM, Brian Cluff <brian@snaptek.com>
wrote:
is pretty much just a minimal
install that asks you at the end if
you want to install certain typical
server software. I just normally
just pick SSH server and then add
whatever I want after the first
boot. I've always had less problems
installing the server over rather
than the desktop install because of
the odd graphics card problems that
pop up from time to time (but hardly
ever these days) since the server
install uses a text based
installer. The server install will
allow you easily install a basic
system and then install the
proprietary graphics drivers
afterwards skipping having to have
them to install in the first place.
takes longer to install since much
of your software (aka your entire
desktop environment) will have to be
downloaded over the Internet rather
than coming off of nice fast flash
drives or DVDs. You could, if you
are in a hurry, install via the
server install disk and then use the
packages on the desktop install to
feed your desktop install, but in
the long run it probably won't save
you any time since you would still
want to update everything over the
Internet and that would take just
about as long. Then again, if you
have the server installed, you can
actually be doing stuff to customize
your install at the same time that
it's installing/updating so it's
probably all in all a speed win.
On 11/08/2016 12:49 AM, trent
shipley wrote:
the gotchas he can expect in
installing: server -> delta
desktop repository -> delta
desktop gui -> no more than
two days tweaking system? OR:
delta server -> tweak?
server distro as the base to
work better with a server
enabled workstation, but
that's just a layperson's
hunch.
2016 at 3:35 PM Brian Cluff
<brian@snaptek.com>
wrote:
one for the server install
DVD. If you are going to
do anything out of the
norm, always reach for the
server install. Then just
apt install
kubuntu-desktop when
everything is done
installing.
Kde neon is pretty good
right now and about the
only way to get an up to
date kde experience right
now, but it will still use
the Ubuntu installer. It
would probably be best for
you to use the server
install cd, then add the
neon repositories, and
then install the the
neon-desktop
Brian Cluff
November 7, 2016 1:17:07
PM MST, Stephen
Partington <cryptworks@gmail.com>
wrote:
with the desktop
install media than
i would have. I
usually 86 the
desktop install
media and just use
the server install
media to get the
LVM/Raid settings
i want to use. i
just have to
remember to
disable the
network wait on
boot.
like this again
for a while as
Windows 10 is
irking me again
more and more.
Mon, Nov 7, 2016
at 12:17 PM,
Michael Butash <mike@butash.net> wrote:
for the fire and
forget, had to
rebuild a data
center for a
customer over
the weekend - I
was just really
hoping to have
the darn box up
before I left to
work on it
remote, such a
simple feat
normally, but I
had no time for
anyways.
Rest inline...
On 11/03/2016
03:54 AM,
Steve Litt
wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov
2016 18:38:24
-0700
Michael Butash
<mike@butash.net> wrote:
This is really
why I have a
hate/love
relation with
ubuntu, it
never
fails to
disappoint.
My road to
16.04 has been
all upgrades
so far,
this time I'm
using 16.04.1
cd's from
scratch.
Curious: What
do you love
about it? You
seem like the
kind of person
who could work
with any
distro.
Short answer, it
usually works
where others do
not with my
graphics, a
6-head amd video
card which until
recently, I used
all ports on.
Long story,
probably tldr
(you asked!),
definitely
love/hate...
After my last
straw with
windoze and
making the
decision to
force myself to
use linux to
both learn and
abandon m$
shitty ecosystem
circa 2006, I
tried a bit of
everything
disto-wise. I
always loathed
redhat and rpm
hell (no, yum
didn't entirely
fix this, and
much later), I
came from
slackware/open|freebsd/solaris
background
having no desire
to go back, and
oddly landed on
Mandrake for a
bit. Until I
started hacking
on it, and
things came
unglued.
I decided to try
Ubuntu after
reading about
debian roots
I've heard
praised (tried
for 2 seconds,
got annoyed,
don't remember
now why), I
think 6.04 at
the time, and
oddly it "just
worked".
I didn't begin
to have any real
issues until
10.10 until the
era of unity
hell began, and
they started
trying to make
Ubuntu install
more idiot-proof
for, well
idiots. Sadly
it removed all
the good
features like
complex raid,
crypto, and lvm
setup, making it
about as stupid
as possible, but
there was always
the alt
installer and
just simply not
using unity, if
I could just get
the damn os on a
system. Thanks
Canonical.
They then pissed
on that,
fiddling with
(breaking) the
alt installer
removing fdisk
(it's what I
used for my
raid+crypto+lvm
setup), and
ultimately doing
away with the
alt installer
all together as
insult to
injury. Again I
worked around
them in other
ways, building
my fs manually
with an arch cd
first learning
how to build it
all manually
from busybox
again, and trick
the netboot
installer into
working over
it. Thanks
again
Canonoical.
Around 2014, I
got really
annoyed after
dist-upgrade
blew up my
system that I
decide to
sojourn a bit
and explore
distros again
with a new
laptop I'd
gotten. I
couldn't even
get fedora's
vaunted
installer to
reproduce my
raid+crypt+lvm
setup, and
despised the
notion of going
back to it
anyways, but at
the request of a
friend that for
some reason
likes it,
tried. Even
tried Red Hat's
official
installer, more
broken than
fedora, scratch
either/or.
Tried Arch too,
got to a
desktop, and
found hell with
the AMD drivers
and graphics
capabilities in
general.
I settled on
Mint Debian
edition with
Mate, as
Cinnamon was all
sorts of broken
with compositing
on even the most
basic intel gpu,
which seemed
like instant
fail. Mate was
great, and used
that for a bit
until with some
new ssd's I'd
begun to rebuild
my desktop with
mint de mate,
and found ATI
graphic hell in
my desktop. AMD
only cares about
fedora/ubuntu as
a linux entity,
knew it would
likely work
there, and again
hacked ubuntu
back onto my
system. It's
the same install
I'm using today,
and eventually
moved my laptop
back to ubuntu.
What I really
can't fathom is
how Canonical
can keep
breaking their
installers in
such new and
creative ways
each time, and
only I seem to
notice, but then
again, I expect
linux features
most people
don't know even
exist or care
about like raid,
crypto, or
volume
management.
If BTRFS or ZFS
supported better
encryption, I'd
love to use one
native fs to do
all the
raid/crypto/lvm
in it. I think
as of this year,
either/both
might, so worth
exploring, but I
bet ubuntu's
installers will
still suck in
dealing with
them.
Yes, AMD is a
root evil for
linux graphics
and at times the
kernels, but
nvidia to this
day still has
not put out a
6-head video
card like AMD
that I actually
use all 6 ports
of. Now I have
3x montiors
(well, tv's), so
this new one has
a nice new 1070
card in it.
Which thanks to
their crappy
business
practices too of
not releasing
firmware
immediately
(that amd would
decompile), I
know nouveau has
issues with, and
the binary drive
is necessary.
I'm handy with
cli here, not
too worried,
more that their
drivers suck too
these days.
really don't
want to have
to make a
circle of
distro's to
end up
back here
again, but
ubuntu is
always so
basically
dysfunctional
these days
with the most
basic things,
it's hard to
want to care.
I wonder how
much others
have seen
this. This is
with legacy
boot in
bios, no uefi
crap, and just
a basic d-i
based ubuntu
server
install,
and/or
kubuntu.
I used Ubuntu
for several
years because
it "just
works." The
trouble
was, as I got
more
sophisticated,
Ubuntu's
seatbelts and
airbags and
danger sensing
devices and
training
wheels and all
that other
stuff so
necessary to
the newbie
badly got in
my way.
it feels almost
childish to
still use Ubuntu
at this stage,
but nothing else
has worked
suitably, and
I'm somewhat
tired of
trying+disappointment
when history has
proven most
others to be
inadequate or
worse.
So I ditched
Ubuntu for
Debian, and
that was
great, but
then Debian
went systemd
so I switched
to Void Linux,
and after a
rocky 5 weeks
of
Void
newbie-ism,
Void has
turned out to
be the most
useful,
maleable
and stable
distro I've
ever used.
I've used Void
for over a
year now.
why I tried Mint
Debian Edition -
figured deb it
might suck less
and just wanted
a modern ui, but
found that their
driver support
for AMD, or
rather a support
for modern
versions thereof
for graphics
were fairly
lacking, and no
one from a major
org cares enough
to fix it. I
simply could not
get their kernel
to take the amd
driver, which
was a
non-starter.
It's actually
what drove me
finally back to
Ubuntu natively
just for a
working video
solution, and at
times keeps me
bound.
think you've
probably
outgrown
Ubuntu.
above. It tends
to work great as
long as I don't
have to 1)
install it via
"normal" means
or 2) upgrade
it, both often
suck these
days. Both have
simply continued
to get worse and
worse, and I
only encounter
them every few
years out of
necessity of
they are also
both my primary
means of working
as my own
business. Once
I hit 14.04
stable, I
upgraded only
upon absolute
necessity core
functions like
kernel or
desktop libs,
and only
essential apps
that require
them (browsers
really), but
otherwise didn't
upgrade core
until 16.04 when
it released.
That's been a
current longer
evolutionary
story I'll get
to eventually.
BUT, as far as
your current
no-booting
installer
problem, I
wonder if
your media are
bad. Just for
fun, boot
System Rescue
CD and have a
look
around the
system to
verify no disk
or RAM
problems, and
that the
processor is
what you think
it is. If you
can't boot
System Rescue
CD
either, that
points an
accusing
finger at your
DVD drive.
something I'd
seen before
actually, I'd
mentioned
another time
about arch and
disk-label
usage. I don't
think it's
media, but who
knows. My 10
year old spindle
of dvd-r's might
be breaking down
by now, but
first time I've
seen this with a
anything, why I
tried both the
built-in, and a
usb, of which
I've used
hundreds of
times to boot
things, almost
always said
linux boxes over
the past 10
years, another
not long ago.
Also, try
burning your
disks with
cdrecord (or
wodim) instead
of a gui.
I use a
command
something like
this:
cdrecord
dev=/dev/sr0
padsize=63s
driveropts=burnfree
\
-pad -dao -v
-eject
myimage.iso
The
padsize=63s
and -pad help
with the Linux
readahead bug.
Burnfree
means you
don't
unknowingly
make coasters
or bad discs
if your
computer
can't deliver
the data fast
enough.
If you perform
the burn like
I mentioned
above, you
*should* be
able to
md5 check the
disc to the
same md5sum as
the iso file
by following
directions
here:
Interesting -
I've not had to
adjust a cd like
that using k3b
on linux ever or
nero in win
since doing so
for pirated drm
games. Only time
seeing something
like that is
using unetbootin
to make the usb
where it doesn't
know the iso
expects a
certain disk
label to exist.
This seemed more
a sloppy iso
build in the few
hours I had with
the system and
ample
frustration to
write that.
Thank you for
that tidbit,
I'll try it
after I fiddle
with the bios
more on this.
I'm going to try
a kde neon build
(really what I'm
interested in
more here), I
just didn't have
the time as it
showed up 5
hours before I
had to pack,
sleep, and hop
on a plane (sad,
I know). It's a
t7910 precision
dell, more a
server board
than desktop, so
I'd really
expect better
behaviour here
on either pc or
ubuntu.
I'll update when
I get to it
tonight
hopefully.
HTH,
SteveT
Steve Litt
November 2016
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